Muhammad Ali vs Vitali Klitschko - Who wins?

XD you dumbass he was cutting firebreaks in NoCal. Have you ever done any kind of hard labor? I think not. If that is your life, you get really strong. Naturally. Try humping weight over many hours. Big George is a freak of RNG + labor. That makes him hard.

 

A stupid and very weak argument without any context what so ever.

Wilder has beaten a grand total 2 fighters ranked in the top 10 and one of them being over the age of 40. Ali by comparison beat 20..... ranked fighters in the top 10 which is a staggering 10 times more than Wilder has.

Ali also had 61 fights and fought many more tough fights vs much tougher opposition compared to Wilder having 46 fights vs far less opposition.

So Bugner, Mathis, Norton, Foreman, Lyle, Terrell, are small HW's ? all of these fighters are between 6'3-6'6.

Vitali lost to a blown up Super Middleweight for your information......

 

A guy losing to a blown up Super Middleweight "Chris Byrd" is getting destroyed by Ali, a guy losing to Lamon Brewster, Ross Puritty, is getting destroyed by Ali.

See how easy that is to do ?

And i'd rather lose to a great Heavyweight in Joe Frazier rather than the likes of Byrd, Brewster, and journeyman Puritty.

 

The same Norton that was poison for technical boxers and also pushed another top 5 ATG Heavyweight boxer in Larry Holmes to the brink aswell ? so yes what's your point.

 

You lost credibility when you said Vitali was better than Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield.
Firstly Lewis stopped him in 6, all three were undisputed in a far deeper era, something Vitali never did, his only competitor was his brother.

 

Ward, Haney and Lopez didn't run. All they did was leave

Vatali's style is completely different than Frazier's. Frazier crowded Ali, didn't give him room to work or move freely. Vatali has all the physical advantages, but Ali had better footwork, stamina, speed and he was a very good thinker inside the ring. Vitali would give Ali the room to work and move. I don't see Vitali taking those away like Frazier did. I can see Ali winning the early rounds,VK taking the middle, then Ali coming on strong at the end. Winning an 8-4, 7-5 type fight.

 

Before Ali vs Foreman took place, most people thought that Ali would be slaughtered but they were wrong. However, Ali vs Vitali is another story. The latter is a lot bigger than the former.

 

I didn't insult Salty Dog in my OP. I gave lots of context in a few paragraphs, looks like you're too STUPID to follow what I posted.

Much tougher opposition?? LOL, most of Ali's wins were over CWs and very small HWs. When he started fighting HWs his size he struggled badly. Objective analysts including Al Bernstein don't think Ali ever beat Norton. Maybe in their 2nd fight and that was very close. Ali got a gift decision in their 3rd fight. Ali never fought a HW like WIlder. The closest in power would be Foreman, and George had more clubbing power. DW has more of a shotgun laser right. GFs engine was suspect. It sure was in his lone fight w/ Ali. Foreman looked ill in that fight and the ropes were ridiculously loose to help Ali do his rope a dope. Old Wilder KTFO old Ali early to late rounds.

Boxing goes by weights. Except for fatso Mathis, the rest would be small HWs today. Terrell was a 6'6 string bean, he'd be a C level HW today. Mathis & Lyle was easily UD by CW Quarry. Bugner & Norton were good in the 70s. They'd be doing well to be fringe contenders today. You actually think Bugner & Norton would be competitive vs. today's SHWs?? I think blown up CW Usyk beast both of them rather easily. The best of the bunch fighting today would be Foreman and he would be beaten by top current fighters. Light hitting J Young easily UD a young Foreman. That's more than enough context for you to try to follow.

FYI Vitali sustained a severe injury. That's the only way he loses to Byrd. Even a troll like you knows that. Ali lost to blown up SMW (your standards) in the FOTC. Since Byrd was a blown up SMW then that's what most of Ali's wins were against. I knows he'a a hero of yours b/c I can't believe you're that much of a moron. The arguments against Ali being successful vs. modern HWs are easily made. But it's like trying to convince someone still in love w/their spouse that they're being chested on. There's no argument or context you can give to wake them up. Likely they'll get angry w/ you and respond with ignorant comments. That spouse will have to face reality on their own, if ever. // By the 2000s there was a much greater pool of big men compared to 60s & 70s Ali era. If you don't understand the implications of that, you're beyond help.

 

Ofc you cherry picked LL worst results. That's easy to do w/ Ali and all the rest of the old time HWs.

Why not. Outside of Foreman, who did Ali fight that could punch as hard as Rahman and McCall? It wasn't JF. It took Frazier 15 rounds of accumulated punches to KD Ali once. Lennox toys w/Frazier like he did Tyson. Since Joe was a slow starter LL likely stops Joe early. Honest question. If the super fast Ali was KD by blown up Lt. HW (not an exaggeration) Copper, Rahman and McCall couldn't (T)KO Ali?

In the not too distant future, there might be AI driven virtual reality fights between the old vs. modern HWs. I can't wait. Ofc by that time the old time HW worshippers still alive will slink away. Or say that the result is due to "bias" and make other loony comments. As if any but a few here could even begin to understand such tech. Many here can't even follow simple arguments w/ logical contexts of size, strength, skill, H2H match ups. Even I might be surprised at how bad the 80s & older era HWs do vs. modern HWs.

The few remaining stubborn worshipers of 70s HWs will make asinine comments like: The AI is "stupid"; where's the "context"; no, no, my hero would win b/c I say so, etc. None of that will cut it w/anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence.

 

The 'today's heavyweights are bigger so they must be better argument' also makes for amusing reading

 

Alot of context ? no you did not what you did is spout the same old nonsense which you do in every Ali thread with actually no context what so ever.

"Ali only fought small Heavyweights"

"Ali wouldn't stand a chance in this era"

It's the same old boring tripe which you always post.

And case in point there is it right on cue the same old low IQ post from you.

Cruiserweights/Small Heavyweights = Already been debunked Ali beat plenty of fighters of 6'3 and above, remind me again who is considered one of the best Heavyweights in the world right now ? aka Usyk what's his height and size ?

"Much tougher opposition LOL" = Well obviously you can't read aswell as being stupid so let me repeat myself. Ali beat 20 fighters who were ranked in the top 10 compared to Wilder who has beat a grand total of 2 fighters ranked in the top 10, which is a staggering 10 times more ranked opponents than Wilder has beaten.

So yes i think that's pretty simple logic isn't it ? that Ali had much stronger opposition ?

And Wilder never fought a HW like Ali so what's your point ? Ali is much more proven against world class opposition which is what i told you above with the statistics and that's what we call "actual context"

Yeah i do think they would be competitive against lower ranked top 10 Heavyweights, Dillian frigging Whyte was a top 5 Heavyweight i suppose he's an amazing Heavyweight too because he's "big" or should i say "fat".

So is Wilder ? Wilder has weighed as low as 219 pounds and his weight is often in the low 220s, Terrell weighed 214 pounds vs Ali and was 6'6 compared to Wilder being 6'7 not that much difference.

Oh you mean where Vitali only landed 8 more punches than Byrd ? 132 to 124 ? and the fact that Vitali landed only 26 percent of his punches compared to 44 percent for Byrd ?

One could possibly argue that Byrd caused Vitali's injury from all the missed punches ? and the fact that Vitali was having to throw punches from weird angles to catch Byrd ? Holyfield also had the same injury vs Byrd is that coincidence ?

People like to create a myth that Vitali was dominating Byrd before injury which is total rubbish, what actually happened was that it was a very competitive fight that Byrd had better of in the 2nd half of the fight and was coming on.

The punchstats also give the context that it was a competitive fight.

Let's also not forget Byrd was a late replacement only having a few days to prepare.....not too mention being dwarfed in size. So yes i do give Byrd full credit for his performance.

You're the one saying Ali can't win because of the size....so i'm giving you an example of Vitali losing to a smaller Heavyweight than Ali......i can't believe you're that much of a moron that you can't somehow comprehend that.

As for Ali being my hero ? you must be joking not even close buddy. Larry Holmes is actually my favourite Heavyweight for your information.

It's nothing to do with liking or disliking a fighter, but to make such silly claims that a great Heavyweight like Ali who has best Heavyweight resume of all time stands no chance at all is ridiculous.

And there's very logical arguments that Ali could be successful against modern Heavyweights aswell......i think you're the one beyond help. You're one of them posters that think bigger is always better which is absolute nonsense.

Yes size can be advantage but it's not like Ali is a small man.....Andy Ruiz is an obese man who is 6'1 and has been successful in this era. Chris Byrd was successful against against big Heavyweights, Usyk who is barely that much bigger than Ali and is exactly the same height. Is literally thriving in the current era so what you're saying is absolute nonsense.

Am i saying Ali would dominate in this era ? absolutely not. But do i think he could be competitive in this era ? absolutely yes.

 

Or 8 fight Spinks! Lol Ok that wasn’t prime Ali but it wasn’t the shot version of him either.

Goes life and death with Norton, arguably loses TWICE but will DESTROY both Klitschkos though!?! Goes to show how far brainwashing can go.

I try to be fair with these hypothetical matchups and I truly think it would be a tough fight for both parties but in the end, size, range and strength would play a roll. And Wlad would be a whole different story. Ali’s little rope a dope strategy would be suicide in that one. Lol But that’s a different debate.

 

Not a shot version of Ali who had early stages of Parkinson's almost 60 fights and had gone through countless wars ?

Why do people say this all the time to discredit Ali ? Norton gave two Heavyweights who are considered top 5 ATG's in Holmes, Ali, two razor thin close fights which shows his quality.....

Vitali never even beat a Heavyweight who would be ranked in top 30 of all time, and lost to the two best fighters he ever fought.

No Ali wouldn't destroy the Klitschko's but they would be very competitive fights.

Ali never did the rope a dope in his prime ? he was a fleet footed athletic boxer who moved around the ring. So that doesn't even apply to a prime Ali vs Klitschko's because that wouldn't happen.

 

Vitali wins. Similar leanback style but much taller. Ali will think he's out of range pulling straight back and gets caught by Vitali's right hands.

 

Objectively false