But training boxing his whole life had a lot to do with Jones being able to do what he did. I'm sure Chamberlain would have been a great HW if he had the experience of boxing that RJJ had, but he didn't. That's the whole point of the argument.
Millions of boxers train their life but can't do what Roy did. Why? His genetics. His fast-twitch muscle fibres allowed him to do such things. Andy Ruiz is another guy whose upper body is loaded with them. Watch him on the mitts.
Yeah. Pudzianowski did ice a Grazie in MMA, but that is of course very, very different from landing a punch like that on a great boxer.
We're kind of moving around in circles here. Yes, Jones's genetics were an important part of him being so exceptional but so was the fact that he had been boxing almost his whole life. We know for sure that Chamberlain lacked the latter of these factors.
Most of the time that guys "decide to take up boxing" things go badly. Even from MMA, its rare that the skill translates well. I was frankly blown away at how well Conor did against Floyd, even an old, washed up version of Floyd. I remember Aleksander Emelianenko was hot stuff with his hands in MMA, and he tried his hand at boxing, and went life and death with two no-name brand opponents.
Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest athlete who ever lived. I've heard different stories of why the fight never happened, 1 was that Herbert Muhammed turned green when he saw how big Wilt really was and heard the stories of his immense strength. But who knows, one thing is amazing when you think of it, many people at the time considered it plausible . Not because of Ali, but because of Wilt.
No there isnt. There is no such as thing as success due to luck, and certainly not in a fight. A knock out punch can only be thrown by someone who has thrown a punch with good form and timing and lands on an opponent who leaves themselves open. And You certainly can't outbox someone and win a decision due to luck (unless the judges are paid off). You can't "get lucky" and somehow outbox a guy whose been practicing in the gym for years and working his way up the rankings. Nothing is "random". We can explain physics from atoms to galaxies, probability, psychology, natural phenomenon, and even the erratic behavior of mental patients. We do not see random frogs spawning when you throw rocks or snow catching on fire. There is an explanation for almost everything, especially things as straightforward as fist fights. If wilt were to land a knockout blow on Ali, it would have absolutely nothing to do with luck, rather it would have to do with a combination of factors such as Ali goofing around, Wilt throwing an unusual punch that is hard to read, etc. The chances of this happening are extremely slim, and become even smaller when you factor in that Ali is a trained professional and Wilt had zero fights. On top of that, Ali would take the fight very seriously and be alert of his surroundings. If it were to happen despite the odds, that still wouldn't make wilt "lucky", there would still be a logical explanation. A puncher's chance isn't a "random" event like pulling a name out of a hat or a dice toss. It's in the name: PUNCHER. By definition that means if they connect a flush punch, they will always have a slim chance of dropping someone. In other words, a guarantee. By definition, a guarantee nullifies the possibility of "randomness" or luck being factors. There are no guarantees in spinning a wheel other than the wheel stopping at some point due to gravity. A punchers chance cannot be compared to luck or random events. I challenge you to find one example of someone winning a fight due to pure luck or randomness.
his ring iq wasn't as good as his athletic ability but he still had a way higher iq than the average tomato can. That's why he was still able to win fights even when he was old and washed up. The part you're forgetting is that Roy didn't start declining until his late 30's and he already pretty much had a full professional career. His decline in reflexes coincided with his brutal ko loss to tarver. He never really recovered from that loss and jumped back into boxing way too soon. Doesn't matter how good your ring IQ is if you have a glass jaw. He neglected working on actual defense and had no way to defend himself once his speed was gone. Roy couldn't rely on his IQ because he couldn't rely on his chin. His boxing style was centered around the pillar which was his reflexes. Once that pillar was gone the whole building collapsed. He could still beat bums and journeyman but world class fighters were beyond his reach. He still had the basics/fundamentals and the ring IQ and experience to get by to an extent. It would be like a left armed sniper getting a custom gun suited for his left handedness and shot with that same gun for 20+ years developing his own unique shooting style. If he lost his left arm and the gun is stolen, even if he was an amazing marksman, he isn't going to be just as good overnight even if he practices for years with the right arm because his entire shooting style was centered around his left handedness. And if he's pushing 40 with worse reflexes then he will definitely never be the same. LeBron and wilt don't even have the basics of boxing or even a single day of sparring as a foundation--let alone decadee of amateur+professional experience and countless hours practicing in the gym under the watchful eye of an experienced trainer checking for mistakes. It's an absurd comparison.
I saw Ali vs Inoki, or whatever his name was. Not only did Ali fail to win ( the ref called it a draw ) he came out damaged. As for Chamberlin, he would be in trouble by round three. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who actually had combat experience would have been a much tough opponent for Ali. Back in the early 1970's, the NBA had issues with fights.
>wastes my time saying "I disagree" >proceeds to not explain why. No one asked for your 2 cents. What was the point in you even posting? Luck is for losers, excuse makers, and the unscientific mind.
