Muhammad Ali vs Wladimir Kiltschko

woah anyone thinking wlads slow, hold extended in your fatboys face jab is any use against someone mobile is living a lie.

 

You obviously haven't got a clue. Believe me if Wlad all 240 pounds of him stuck out his unprotected chin and offered Cooper a free shot with his left hook as a clowning Ali did, then believe me he would hit the deck,yes against all 185 pounds of Cooper,he could take your head off with his left hook.
You say he knocked Ali senseless,not true. You forget to mention that Ali took the best shots of Liston x 2,Frazier x 3,Norton x 3,Foreman,Shavers,Lyle,Bonavena some of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time and was downed just once in those fights and got up.
As for you assessment of Frazier well it's difficult to know what to say.
You're simply another who's obsessed with size.
Wlad after his 3 knockout losses simply is terrified of being hit and that's fair enough,with his new style when Manny came on board it's served him well. I admire him but sorry he wouldn't beat Ali and he simply isn't as great as Ali,end of story.

 

If Wlad is 6'5, then Ali is 6'1, looking at their photos.

 

You are the one clueless :deal

Ali got knocked out by 185 lbs skinny fat bum Cooper, that would be murdered by Stevenson and Kovalev, today (Ali was down more than 10 seconds, and he couldn't walk to his corner on his legs; he also didn't stand up after 60 seconds of break; that's out, but the referee didn't want to count him out, or they would have killed him);

Also Ali was on his fat ass against 205 lbs of lards frazier, Frazier that was half blind, slow and predictable.

Ali was glass chinned, and would barely be a sparring partner, today. :deal

 

People use Ali fights when he was young or past it to criticize Ali, yet the minute you mention who Wlad lost to, a million excuses arise lol.

They use the Ali who got put down by Banks and Cooper or even the Doug Jones fight ass some sort of evidence before Ali even won a world title! Lol

These same fans also pick the Norton and Young fights as if Ali clearly lost not remembering the point of the convo is who wins prime Ali or prime Wlad.

You bounce around and pick and choose which Ali that you think was vulnerable and then attempt to use the best Wlad available. Hilarious.

Now when Ali's fan pick Purrity, Brewster, Sanders, Williams or Peter as evidence of Wlad's flaws, they use all kinds of excuses as to why Wlad lost and want to use Wlad of today who hasn't been under fire since thoe very competitive days.

If you're going to compare and match these guys at their best, compare them at their best. You can still mention their flaws and make a good case for the guy that you like.

Ali best ever!

 

If you're having a boxing converation with this guy, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

Yeah, and Wlad who struck Olympic goal ran out of gas against Purrity! Russian fans strike again!

 

Is it any surprise he's a Klitschko fanatic:roll:

 

Have you ever seen Henry Cooper? That bum lost a quarter of his fights, and was a walking stick. He was 185 lbs! No skills, no power, nothing. Ali had 30 !!!!!!!!! lbs of advantage over him!

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Yes I saw Henry Cooper but I'll lay odds you've never seen any of his fights. Calling Henry or any other professional boxer a bum shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.. Henry Cooper had one of the most devastating left hooks in boxing Enery's ' Ammer they called it Joe Frazier had another devastating hook.
Henry's downfall was the scar tissue above his eyes he lost so many fights on cuts
Ali would have made Wlad look just what he is a robotic limpet.
Ali was too fast for Wlad he'd just be grabbing air & falling over his own feet. Ali would make Wlad look foolish & when he got bored with tormenting him Ali would put him away.
Oh one question.....
Why didn't Wlad jump in & challenge Lennox Lewis to try to get revenge for his big brothers TKO loss??? Lennox would have taken him on willingly but Wlad ran for cover ROFLMAO

 

The Soviet race? He lost to two African Americans-by KO! LOL

Ali didn't lose to Doug Jones and he stopped Cooper both times. And since we are talking about age, Ali fought a mans resume by age 36 and passed. Wlad fought a tough resume early on and was kod 3 times and knocked down by Davarryl Williams before his division turned stale, and that's when he started winning again.

Did the Gold medalist Wlad rematch Sanders or Purrity?

And boxing doesn't come down to nationalism in my book. I could care less whether you were Russian or Ukranian. And your last sentence tells me you're just another clueless Wlad dik rider.

 

Me taking a guess at your nationality and being WRONG doesn't bother me in the slightest bit.

Wlad being kod on 3 different occassions in his prime truly bothers you. And I'm glad because your sorry outlook on Ali's career forced me to degenerate myself into your world which I'm fine with. I can post a bunch of bull**** that I don't mean about Wlad and get under your skin you fukken Wlad tool.

 

Why don't you go back to the ballet board as you obviously know nothing about boxing
Ali was up immediately though did not have a clue where he was
Angelo saved the day for him when he saw the hole in the seam of Ali's glove. Angelo poked his finger in the hole making it bigger then called the referee. They had no more gloves so Ali had to continue as they were. That extra time gave Ali time to get his head clear He came out & literally slashed Henry's face to ribbons his face was just a mask of blood,
I was a ten yr old kid & I went to that fight hoping to see Henry knock Clay out I left that fight a life long Ali fan. I have NEVER seen a HW move so fast
Angelo told me the story about the split glove at Canastota one year at the boxing HOF

 

Oh Can you explain what a 185 pound skinny fat bum looks like??? Is it what you see in the mirror every day???

 

So I guess we aren't talking about Wlad Ali anymore?

Gotcha:good