Muhammad Ali's management VERY SMART

Liston got of piece of Clay's future fights if Sonny lost the title.

The Dundee boy's had the Miami "connections".

 

U mean that Liston got a percentage of Ali's income if he agreed 2 lose d title , which he did ?

 

Ring Magazine,

Stated that the Louisville Sponsoring Group was brilliant in their decision making
in guiding the young prodigy Cassius Clay.

But they did propose a challenge to the group in 1964, by stating that Cassius Clay has yet to fight;
Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terrell, Eddie Machen and Cleveland Williams.

And his victories over #2 Doug Jones and #9 Henry Cooper were heavily disputed.

And Ring Magazone also stated, that Clay's victory over Sonny Liston was the best thing that
could happen to boxing.

 

What's especially ironic is that his implication applies more to Joe Frazier than it does Ali.

 

True.

 

Seems like you and me have had this discussion before. I do think I know you.

 

The Bokaj Man,,,,,,,,,,you're back,,,,:good

Otha Brown looked good in the ring versus Ingo too...

Completely staged publicity shoot.

 

Does anyone know just how involved Dundee was with matching Clay under the Louisville group? I always got the impression that he was very involved then but less so under Herbert Muhammed.

 

Yeah, haven't been here much as of late. Definitely thought I was all talked out regarding Clay/Ali, but here I am again...

 

William Faversham Jr. ran everything.

Angelo Dundee had no say in any fight promotions and/or who Cassius
Clay would fight.

Mr. Dundee was a paid employee of the Louisville Sponsoring Group.

In 1963, it was $125 per week, plus expenses.

 

Doug Jones was far superior to Archie Moore.

 

Without a doubt, Doug Jones was miles ahead in talent over
Old Man Archie Moore in 1962/1963.

No disrespect to Archie, but he was not in Doug Jones league at that
time.

Archie was still cagey, and could punch a little,,,,,,,,,,but he was also very slow.

 

Ali was guided immaculately, but never protected.

His resume, the greatest in heavyweight history, is a testament to that.

Ali went to boxing school for about 20 fights, and emerged ready to be a dominant champion. This is the desired result with any prospect.

 

I got a feeling that even prime vs prime Doug Jones could at least outdo Harold Johnson vs Archie Wright .

 

He meant easy path to first title bout with Liston, which is true. And why is Spinks listed??? Patterson was hsot then they fought, Frazier and Norrton were opponents who gave him beatings, not others you list.