Muhammad Ali's phantom/anchor punch

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  1. boxfan22

    boxfan22 Active Member Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali was a head of his time. He moved like water just like Bruce Lee. He was capable of knocking you out without generating power in the legs.


    The fastest punch in history that landed on Sonny Liston can't be questioned. Plain and simple. Now the duration of time that Sonny Liston stayed down on the canvas can be questioned but that's a different story. Now you can say why didn't he do that against most of his opponents if he was capable of doing that, but what you need to understand is that it's an extremely difficult move to pull off because it demands perfection. Ali only ever did this move to only 2 of his opponents, Sonny Liston and Cleveland Williams. He back stepped while throwing a punch sending them to the floor.
     
  2. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    I will always admire Ali as a boxer hugely.
    But the 'phantom punch' he knocked Liston out with,is defined by its own name.
    Phantom ie. Something that does not exist !
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can it not exist when footage clearly shows the punch landing??
     
  4. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    The punch hit Liston's head. No one disputes that. But the knockout and the circumstances that surrounded it was something suspicious, which raises the suspicion of a fix.
    That fight was very strange indeed.
     
  5. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In 61 fights and thousands of punches thrown, only two of them were perfect?
    Hard to believe.
    In the immediate aftermath of the Liston fight, Ali didn't even know whether he KOd Liston with a left or a right. He said he would have to look at the tapes to see.
     
  6. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    Well said.
    It is interesting to note that Liston 2 was the only first round knockout throughout Ali's entire career ...
     
  7. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If anyone doubts it was a fix, Liston's behavior after the fight should change your mind. It removes all doubt.
    The fight was a robbery, regardless what you think about the punch.
    Liston was never counted out. A count was never started because Ali wouldn't go to a neutral corner.
    Walcott made the worst call in boxing history by calling it a KO.
    It violated every rule of boxing.

    Yet, Liston never uttered a word in complaint. Neither did his manager.
    Immediately after the fight, Liston was smiling and calling it a fair fight.
    The fight ended the way Liston wanted and intended it to.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The right hand DID land...

    This has been conclusively proven.
     
  10. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That much is probably fair to say.
     
  11. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    agreed for once :good
     
  12. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It did land and the anchor punch is able to stun and stop when thrown with conviction (I was taught it early in my golden glove years) but the right Ali landed had so little on it. Caught by suprise it could have lightly stunned Sonny but it was in no way a ko punch.
     
  13. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali turned it over, adding torque to the blow, and caught Liston undefended, leading forward and on top of the head. Those circumstances are often all that's needed to produce a knock-down.
     
  14. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali claimed his anchor punch would "knock anybody out".
    I'll ask the same question I've asked before.
    Why did any of Ali's fights last more than one or two rounds?
     
  15. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    :deal
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    You got it Bill. Yes, Ali landed a punch and maybe it was enough to knock Liston off balance but it wasn't a huge punch. Liston got up and referee Walcott was letting it continue but Nat Fleischer had to open his big mouth. Walcott should have stood his ground and told Nat to cool it, I'm the ref.