Muhammad Ali's Real Record

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Then you might as well take away the Bonavena fight also.
     
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  2. Saltzy

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    The Ali Shavers fight was a strange one to score. Shavers landed clean hard punches, Ali threw combinations but majority would hit the gloves. Shavers activity faded badly however. Its a tough one but I'd say Ali edged that out. Ali took some vicious shots to the head though I'd saying definitely the hardest he's ever been hit, you could see the lights go out for a second on a bunch of those right hands from Shavers. Ali's recuperative powers are amazing
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Pretty much agree. By chance did anyone " score " Ali vs. Inoki? This was ruled a draw, but its was in fact a robbery. Inoki won it.
     
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  4. Berlenbach

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    Liston II should have been a no contest. Walcott really botched it. He failed to enforce the neutral corner rule on Ali, and failed to give Liston a count, despite him being down a good 20 seconds. He then stopped the fight on the say so of Nat Fleischer, who had no authority to interfere, nearly a minute after the knockdown and when both men had actually resumed fighting.
     
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  5. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, Boxed Ears, to answer your question, that's exactly what I'm doing. It's a statistical intervention to off-set personal bias.

    So, now that we've settled that, tell us --without joking around-- what you think Ali's real record is.
     
    Vince Voltage, Aug 10, 2015
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  6. Webbiano

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    So of all the fights you choose the Holmes fight? Absolute bogus, a premature stoppage if I ever did see one.
     
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  7. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any real opinions out there?
     
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  8. BillB

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    I partially agree.
    You're correct- Liston did not get counted out.
    I wouldn't say Walcott failed to enforce the neutral corner rule. He tried his best for 17 seconds to get Ali to a neutral corner. Ali finally went to one but as soon as Walcott turned his back Ali was right back out in the center of the ring.
    I think, without question that Walcott had ample reason to DQ Ali and should have.
     
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  9. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or at least call it a NC. Definitely one of the poorest ref jobs in boxing history.
     
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  10. Stevie G

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    I found the Inoki exhibition very hard to watch. A farce that Muhammad should never have agreed to.
     
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  11. sweetsci

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  12. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No one is counting Inoki.

    1976 was a bad year for Ali though, wasn't it?

    But we all know just how old and decrepit he was at age 34.
     
    Vince Voltage, Aug 11, 2015
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  13. swagdelfadeel

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    I don't care how controversial this is, and no I'M NOT TROLLING, but excluding the Holmes fight, I actually have Ali undefeated.
     
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  14. Vanboxingfan

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    I think that fight should have been a no contest.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    This is quite reasonable though a DQ for Liston sounds a little more reasonable.
     
    swagdelfadeel, Jan 28, 2016
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