Muhammed Ali and PEDs

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali got some favoritism, but it seems you accept all the wildest & least plausible accusations.

    How did the tape hanging off Ali's glove help Quarry? You think Quarry could have recovered if the fight was paused?
    What is the evidence that there was any bribe offered in Zaire?

    I believe the rope was made for a different sized ring, that was terrible planning, not that Dundee further loosened it.
    Dundee seemed not to favor Ali's strategy-until it worked.

    The diuretics were given to Ali by one Dr.
    Ali took them like candy: they were a large performance DE-enhancer. Ali was a Zombie, not even nearly as good as against Berbick=when his Parkinson's disease had further advanced-in December 1981.
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cooper was already cut before Dundee enlarged the rip.
    So the referee won Ali the fight against Foreman, that’s a new one.
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just like the mysterious bottle in the first Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello fight in 1982? A lot of fighters were favorites not just Ali. When some of the biggest upsets happened, excuses were made immediately, his trainers left them, their shoes were too big, the ropes were hanging, Ha, Ha, Lol. What about accepting the cold hard facts, no denial, everyone is human.
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ask him what he thinks about Wilder's loss to Fury and the entertainment will continue.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, I think there's an actually fairly interesting question wether at least Ali's stable mate Ellis was on steroids. The guy gained about 30 lbs in about a year at a mature age. And if he was, was Dundee involved (he was a trainer for both)?
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, I wonder if they called it Modern Nutrition back then like they do today, Ha, Ha.
     
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  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Active Member Full Member

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    You are right.
    Ali was lucky the punch came at the end of the round.
    Ali's camp did cheat by giving him smelling salts.
    Dundee did enlarge a tear in Ali's glove, but it's hard to say how much time that bought Ali.

    Cooper was not a proper HW size wise, but he was a decent boxer with good punching power for his size. He had a great left hook, and Ali was vulnerable to that punch all his career.
     
  8. KidGalahad

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    not hard at all.
    watch the original broadcast and count yourself



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    says: "Officials were requested to obtain a new pair of gloves for Ali, and popular myth has it that the resulting confusion led to the interval between round 4 and round 5 to be extended by 20 seconds which gave Ali extra time to recover. In fact, there was no confusion; the referee refused to suspend the fight, and the fifth round was delayed by perhaps three seconds."

    wikipedia is wrong! i counted myself and would say the delay during the break was more like 5 seconds (maybe even 6 - in words: six full seconds, which would be a staggering 6.000 (!!) milliseconds!!! -).
    so did espn classics in 2006 (watch the end of the linked video): they also counted 5 extra seconds!

    it is a fact that - without the extra time of 5 (or even 6!) seconds - cassius would have gotten knocked out cold by henry.

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  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    It true, Ali wasn't an all time great like Thomas Hearns .. LOL
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Of course Ali is an all-time great. He's the #1 heavyweight all-time. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    What? It's not new. It's 46 years old.

    Dundee is on record as paying off referee Zack Clayton to "protect" Ali. He said he gave him money to "stop the fight" if Ali was taking too many punches. I never heard of bribing a referee to stop your fighter if the other guy hurt him.

    Instead, Clayton counted to eight and stopped the fight with George staring him in the eye.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Wilder got stopped by Fury and Fury won the Ring and WBC championships with the win.

    How entertaining was that?
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    What accusations? Dundee said he loosened the ropes. Dundee said he bribed the ref. Ali's doctor gave Ali huge amounts of diuretics. And Ali had a yard of tape hanging from his glove while he battered Quarry.

    The hanging tape didn't HELP Quarry. WTF is wrong you guys? LOL
     
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Temper temper.
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    I know you can do better.
     
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