mundine at middleweight

I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but if he talks the talk about fighting Kessler and beating him, it's only natural that fans are going to see want to see him back his words up.

That'd be a good fight, I'd like to see it.

 

There are a few significant differences between Mundine and Calzaghe.

Firstly, whilst Joes record prior to Lacy was less than spectacular, it was and still is, a record with no losses.
So even when he did step it up a level, he still came out on top.
Every single time when Mundine has stepped it up, he has lost.

Joe (at least what I've seen) doesn't have the mouth that Mundine has.
Mundines single biggest problem is naming all the big names and claiming he is the best, yet only beating second rate fighters.

As far as crying about Mundine running from Kessler. What else do you think anyone will say, when Mundine has claimed Kessler is running from him, yet in reality it's the other way round. Mundine has also claimed Calzaghe is running from him. (Who hasn't he claimed is running from him?).

These sort of comments are idiotic in isolation. When you are also only fighting second rate opponents, it's just plain absurd.

For the record, I also agree moving down to middleweight (if he can keep his ability) is a smart move on his part, though I also can't blame anyone for paying out on him for doing so.

Rick.

 

Sox agree entirely. Mundine talks it up but refuses to walk it. The only legacy mundine will leave behind is a big mouth who couldn't back it up against the elite, whom he constantly reminds us all that he's on their level.

 

mundine V Shannon Taylor
interesting any thoughts

 

He should fight Geale.

 

Yeah im not trying to compare Choc to Calzaghe, Choc isn't half the fighter Joe is. I suppose im more trying to say that a lot is possible in a short period of time, not long ago Calzaghe was copping a world of ****, 2 years later it is pretty damn hard to say anything bad about the man.

Choc obviously talks a world of **** and i just find it baffling that people still take his comments to the grave after years of it, it is pretty obvious how he operates. Of course he isn't going to say "im not going to fight Kessler again as i would have a slim chance of victory" very few boxers are modest.
Calzaghe wouldn't walk across the street to **** on Choc if he was on fire, so it is pretty obvious that he isn't going to organise a fight with him. This makes it easy for Choc to call him out, when obviously he knows a fight will never be made. It is a simple publicity stunt and people should see it just as that.

 

Geale is in no hurry to fight Mundine Marcus.
Let him improve his opponents over the next 12 months 1st.

 

I agree, Dan ain't quite ready for Mundine, but it won't be too long.

Rick.

 

So what you're doing is suggesting Calzaghe has proven himself as a great champion because his opposition has been better than Mundine's??? :huh

How does that work? You're the first to step up and slam Mundine so that doesn't say much. How about comparing his record to someone like Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar Dela Hoya or Ray Leonard seeing how so many of his fans want to rate him as an ATG.

What a joke! Let's see if he'll fight Tarver as he's more dangerous at present than Roy Jones Jr.

To those that say Mundine isn't a "real world champ" because he didn't win a real belt, I'd say "how real is the WBO belt" ??? Very little difference when it comes to prestige between a WBA regular strap and the WBO title.

 

Shannon will make it a ugly fight imo,but it would be good to see how mundine handles it

 

I thought S.Taylor looked okay in his last fight but word I'm getting is that he's still a last resort for Mundine.

Until it's offical I wouldn't read to much into it, especially if it comes via News Ltd.

 

Im not the one comparing Mundines record to calzaghe's record ,you were and teke is , however the fella is unbeaten since the age of 14 and has held the LEGIT WBO title for 10 years , during which time he has beaten roughly 10 figters who were then top draw opponents ie Then current or Then recently beaten former holders of Legit titles , BTW do you honestly think the WBA third place title Mundine has is equivilant to the WBO title ? Kessler was # 1 in the WBA then he lost his title trying to unify versus Calzaghe , him losing doesn't make him lower placed than Mundine imo , Calzaghe is the UNDISPUTED WBA , WBO , WBC Champion and former IBF Champ ,Kessler should be in any reasonable fans eyes considered # 2 and Mundine # 3 ( in the WBA stakes ) . Mundine had the Chance to prove otherwise Ie, that he was the # 2 behind Calzaghe but he **** it with the kessler rematch ( Quiet correctly finacially imo ) to fight a bloke he has already beaten Twice prior .So really Mundines career has never imaged that of Calzaghe even in the first half of Joe's career within 4 years of Joe turning pro he had won a bonified title and within 7 years he had made 8 defences of it . now tell me again that the prestige of owning the WBA "also ran" title is on par with a title that he Joe has defended for 10 years .Ps Spot on Calzaghe v Tarver will be my fight of choice for Joe when the Pavlik fight get pulled after Gary beats him this weekend . :good only fekingwitcha lads . :rofl :rofl

 

The points I was making were

a) Does the type of title (IBF, WBO, WBA regular etc) determine how real a champion is? Would you rate Stipe Drews as a true champ? The winner of Shannon Taylor v Jungle Bunny was going to win a "World Title" although I can't even remember what organization sanctioned that !!! Fact is that most people don't rate the type of belt held these days which is why a magazine appears to hold more credibility these days when it comes to who ranks where.

b) Just because a fighter is an undefeated champion doesn't automatically make them great.

Not many rate Rocky Marciano in the top 5 heavyweights of all time even though he retired 49-0 !!!

No, what makes them great is by beating great fighters. Seriously WHAT OPPONENTS OF CALZAGHE CAN HONESTLY BE RATED AS GREAT ???

 

If thats the case what fighter apart from RJJ can be considered active and Great ? Fighters never really get GREAT status until they are looked at from a nostalgic perspective , we don't know how Great Calzaghe will be conidered until he is 10 years retired , imo though if anyone can fight the calibre of fighters Joe Calzaghe has been fighting throughout his career and remain unbeaten will in time be condsidered Great by any fair minded fan whithout and agenda , name me one Australian fighter fo example that is considered an all time great and with a bit of time and research i could probably pick holes in his oppnents as you do to Calzaghe's career . same as most people who are considered as Greats , Joe Calzaghe is what he is mate ie a Great fighter .:deal