mundine ko?

as much as id like to say the head clash kod him (as woods style is **** and he doesnt deserve the win), i can say the clash might have stung mundine a little, but the punch was what got him in the end...

I would even go as far as to say that had the clash not happened he probably wouldnt have been kod, since it was him turning his head in reaction to the clash which set up the open target for wood. but to say the clash blacked mundine out is absurd...

 

I disagree, mundines head displacement in the first frame of movement is about 1ft. It doesnt look bad, typically head clashes dont look bad in real time. The Green/Bayer head clash just looked like a tap to me as well. But bone to bone impulse during collision is incredibly large, perhaps only needing 20% of the speed of a padded glove to cause the same impact on the opponent. An expert in this area can elaborate more on this.

The difference in symptoms is due to the location of contact between the two boxers. In Mundines case right on the button. On Woods head more towards top of the skull.

Again take, the green/bayer collision. Bayer was cut open severely. Why didnt a cut on Greens head of similar size open up as well?

And of course there are natural variations in punch resistance between fighters. Classic case is the Holyfield V Tyson 1 and 2 headbutt episodes. This clearly played into the hand of Holyfield. Tyson was essentially KO'd on his feet. All he could hear was "pop pop... pop pop" as the punches were layed into his incapacitated body after the headbutt. If your theory was more plausible then Tyson and Holyfield would have both stubbled across the ring in a drunken stupor typical of a WWF title fight.

 

yeh, this is a reasonable statement. The fact he raises his glove possibly to gesture to the ref there was a head clash validates this. However, an equally reasonable statement would be that mundine was partially stunned by the clash. In other words still concious but physically reacting sub-optimally leading to unawareness of coordination. This can be verified as he doesnt make any evasive movements after the clash. This reaction is somewhat inconsistent with the mundine of the last 5 years

 

Bottom line is WOOD K05 MUNDINE.

 

100% true, and in my opinion the correct outcome for mundine at this point in his career.

 

ummm did you read my post at all?? I never said the clash didnt happen, i simply said the clash didnt black him out, which you have clearly confirmed for me by saying mundine was able to raise his hand to try and get the refs attention - "get the refs attention" seems like a conscious activity to me. Only difference is im looking at it from a neutral point of view and not trying to spin-doctor some high speed CSI crash investigation theory as to how the headclash may have reacted with Mundines brain, because frankly thats all just speculation on your side.

My take is the head clash hurt/stung him, even made him flinch/react, but the punch, which was a result of his open defense at that point, was what did the primary damage.

As I said in my previous post, its likely that the KO may not have happened if the clash didnt happen...

 

sorry if i have come across as abrasive. I am basically agreeing with you on every point adding additional constructive commentary with a snooty tone.

I guess some might wondering why someone would expend considerable effort in deconstructing the KO with such rigor. But In my opinion some of the articles written by Fairfax and News Ltd have been published around the basis that Mundines loss was a result of either poor form or outmuscled by a technically superior opponent. All this with emphasis put on the defeat to a rookie/novice with only 11 professional fights to further highlight the extent or magnitude of his poor form. I think that this asertion is BS and fundamentally flawed. But hey, all they are doin is trying to sell papers. And when it comes to media pulling the wool over the publics eye I get really fired up.

 

I have never watched an episode of CSI in my life. In fact I have a PhD in particle collision physics and have spent the last 10 years of my career providing unbiased interpertations of motion captured on video for fairly noble causes IMO. There is no room for bias in science, and when I mentor my students I always tell them to be true to themselves and not fudge data or be sturbornly focused on a particular outcome. Maybe this CSI stuff is some biased brand of science, but in the real world you learn that this is counter productive early on in your career. If you are unsure you put your theory up for peer discussion and hope you get some constructive feedback.

In my case I have stated up front it is a theory and provide it in fairly thorough detail to promote healthy constructive discussion. If you question the necessity/approprietness of such overwhelming detail I will simply point you to the recent trend in tv sports coverage, for example;

* hot spot in cricket
* 10000 fps slow motion cameras in drag racing, rugby league, cricket
* Gus Gould breakdown of tries using arial camera views
* That show on foxsports with Brett Kimmorly focusing on NRL tactics
* Mad monday NRL show dealing mainly with detailed technical analysis of NRL games
* Golf swing analysis at tour events
* Test Cricket dismissal referal system

etc etc. So I believe it is somewhat beneficial to encourage technical discussions based around emerging technologies. Great for the kids etc.. Also results in improvements in standards of different sports. Here is a thought provoking idea, imagine if they had a video referal system in boxing. They could have an experienced ref up the back and indicate if a KO is legal or not. What a crazy world it would become.

 

My 2 cents is this.....

Firstly credit to Wood and his team for getting the win and roughing up choc...it's clear it worked.

Fact is Wood did head clash choc on the button....followed by a behind the head shot....Imo he was out before the left.

I dont think it was deliberate however a ref in the right position (IMO Les was out of position) should have gone to the cards.

Chocs brains trust need to man up and say they

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# up and should have never taken the fight....it's all wrong for choc

A rematch will be the same tackle and punch messy fight...if they take it they are mad.

Choc needs straight up boxers like Alverez and Trout.....IMO he beats both of them.

Interesting to see who both choc and Wood fight next

 

And that sounds like you know already Choc will be ducking another fight with Garth lol

 

No mate I dont know what they are doing at all.

I told them 6 months ago not to take the Wood fight......they didnt listen

Anyway I hope choc fights the winner of Trout and Alverez for the regular title at 154 and forgets about Wood

If Wood can win something down the track then its worth going the biff/ tackle again

Fighting for the 154 regular title would cost half as much as fighting Wood again :deal

 

Uh, excuse me, Professor Brainiac, but I worked in a nuclear power plant for ten years, and, uh, I think I know how a proton accelerator works.