Munguia is Clenelo's best win in years and he just got KOd by an undersized tuneup Frenchman

Great points. Preach bro.

 

What does any of that have to do with Canelo's resume being "sus"? He clearly has a stacked resume, the OP has obviously deluded himself.

 

So name his top five wins in your opinion.

 

The Frenchman was not undersized. Imo he looked bigger than Munguia. If The Frenchy was smaller then how was he able to absorb Munguia's best shots?

 

But you are not being fair. Mungia won 3-5 rounds and the fight was competitive even though Canelo clearly won it.

official score cards.

117-110, 116-111 and 115-112

 

Because Munguia is not the power puncher people imagine him to be that is why.
Sure he isn't a soft puncher by any means but he isn't a Julian Jackson type puncher either.

 

Against who? And who will pay him to face such opposition?!

 

I asked earlier for you to name Canelos 5 best wins in your opinion and yet you didn't.
Canelo for his era is a great fighter but when you compare his resume to OTHER great boxers of the past you begin to see truly how thin his resume is in comparison to those.
For instance if you were to attempt to say compare a Canelo vs a Thomas Hearns at jr.middleweight and match them up you would be hard pressed to put Canelo in that company.
If you were then to take Canelo and try to match him up with someone from his era like a Crawford again you would come up short because Crawford has had dominant performances against some very good opponents who were in their absolute primes.

 

I think we all know why Munguia ducked Janibek.

He was the given a title shot and he turned down the fight.

 

I think I shall add "undersized tuneup Frenchman" to my lexicon of insults.

 

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Well, apparently the French man may now be a possibility for ginger on his May 5th weekend. If he was guaranteed $35 million to fight Berlanga and PPV sales were 650k as reported. It's highly likely that his fan base would be willing to buy the matchup of Ginger fighting the French man who knocked out a fellow Mexican. Would make for a good story line considering that May 5th is a Mexican celebration related to a battle between Mexico and France.

Ginger makes his customary $35 million, Surace makes a nice pay day, PBC makes a nice profit and the Ginger Maniacs are happy.
I also think Ginger will end up fighting Bud and/or the winner of Benavidez/Morrell. 2 or 3 big money fights left for Ginger before he rides off into the sunset....

Ginger, his fans, his opponents and promoters end up happy...

 

Lots of options for Cinco De Mayo.

 

Word is that Jaime Munguia has had horrible camps since getting back with Erik Morales.

 

I was a little preoccupied last night with a troll in the other topic, which was rather humorous. So I'm just now getting back to you. I hope you can forgive me for the delayed response.

As far as Canelo's 5 best wins that's very subjective, and again, quite unrelated to the claim that Canelo's resume is "sus". Regardless of who you choose as his best 5 wins, the breadth of his resume speaks for itself.

The other problem is that many fans don't give him credit for certain wins, like what if I said I thought one of his best wins was Lara, you'd have people saying "no he didn't win that" etc and it wouild turn into a rehashment of that for the millionth time. And on that point, the difference between his run in the 2010s vs his run in recent years, is that, putting the Bivol loss aside (and even that is hugely exaggerated against him, in what was very close on the cards but you have people acting like Bivol won every round easily), he has been dominating opponents in recent years.

While he hasn't been getting knockouts, he's been scoring spectacular knockdowns consistently and winning wide on the cards, and wide in ways that even his haters can't deny were clear wins for him. Despite this, you still have people saying he's slowing down and on the decline, which, while, I mean, he's in his mid 30s he really hasn't declined all that much and his style is evolving to something maybe even more fan friendly than before. While, sure, his defense and his head movement isn't what it once was, his punching technique and timing is getting better. We see this with many of the greats who evolve in some ways as their quickness and abilities start to decline. Canelo is still one of the top fighters in the sport.

But again you're moving the goal posts from what the point you were responding to. I wasn't comparing his resume to great boxers from the past, I was comparing his resume to current P4P fighters to which he clearly has no equal.

You have guys like Usyk who have 1/3 of the amount of total fights as he has. Now you could certainly argue that beating Tyson Fury is a better win on paper than anyone Canelo has beat in recent years, that Fury is a better opponent than who Canelo has fought.

But cumulatively over that span, Canelo has fought more good to great fighters than Usyk has, and he's been far more dominant over that span than Usyk has. Usyk was getting outboxed for about half of that Fury fight. he hit the deck against Dubois in what could have been a stoppage but he was saved by the ref. Inoue has been knocked down and he has not fought the level of competition that Canelo has been. Bud fought a good fighter in his last fight but he struggled mightily and many on here thought he should have lost.

In recent years, since Bivol, Canelo hasn't come close to losing, he hasn't shown himself to be vulnerable like Usyk, Bud or even Inoue has. That's my point, that when you look at who he's fought and how dominant he's been in recent years, no one on the P4P list can compare.

That's not to say that there isn't arguments for other guys on the P4P to be ahead of Canelo, but it was never about comparing Canelo's resume to greats from the past, it's about comparing his resume to current greats and the level of competition he's been fighting through his entire career.

Canelo has had a long storied career in the sport that trounces any of his contemporaries.

Not relevant, since we're comparing Canelo to current fighters. but to be clear, Tommy has some things on Canelo, but Tommy has also been stopped several times, while Canelo has never been knocked down. Tommy has 3 more losses than Canelo. We could go down this rabbit hole of comparing Canelo to greats from the past, but that's not what this is about. This is about evaluating his current form to other current greats, how dominant he's been, etc. He's cleaned out 168, he's fought the the best in this division and dominanted everybody. And for those that criticise him for not seeking out the Benavidez fight (I was one of them by the way) but in fairness Benavidez ran off to 175, he could have pressed for the fight, but he chose to move up to 175 where he belongs.

People want to see Canelo fight Benavidez, I get that, but why do they want to see that? Because they want to see Canelo in there with a guy who will outweigh him by probably 20-30 pounds on the night. Canelo is essentially a blown up 154-lber and they want him in there with a literal monster because they think someone that big with the kind of physical advantages is the only way he can be beat.

Now granted, Bivol proved it could be done, a 175-lber himself but not a physically imposing guy like Benavidez who would greatly outweigh him. Canelo has said he would fight Benavidez if the money is right, and maybe he'll eventually move up to 175 to fight him, we'll see.

Bud has been dominant throughout his career, but lets keep it real, he hasn't faced the level of competition that Canelo has fought at. We saw how much Bud struggled in his last fight. You know full well Bud doesn't have the resume Canelo has. Don't get me wrong, Bud's a great fighter and deserves to be near the top P4P, but a better or deeper resume than Canelo? I think not.