Murat Gassiev vs Yunier Dorticos

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Jan 28, 2018.


Who will win?

Poll closed Feb 3, 2018.
  1. Dorticos

    23.7%
  2. Gassiev

    76.3%
  1. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dorticos by Ko! Brutal ko!
     
  2. SmackDaBum

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    Gassiev. KO. Better fundamentals. Dorticos looks somewhat unbalanced and open for counters.
     
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  4. GolovKing

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    Gassiev by KO and it will never be in doubt.
     
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  5. Perkin Warbeck

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  6. Bobby Tony

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    Damn US media blackout! Can't watch any of these WBSS fights on TV.
     
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  8. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Has he been down yet?

    Can we get a ruling or do i have to go to boxrec??
     
  9. houmzz

    houmzz Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Partial amateur record of Yunier Dorticos:

    51 wins and 21 loses

    2001-07-13 67kg Leidisbel Hernandez CUB L 3:0 Santiago de Cuba, Cuba Cuban School Games Preliminaries
    2002-04-?? 75kg Martin Islas ARG W 3:0 Havana, Cuba dual CUB-ARG dual CUB-ARG
    2002-07-14 75kg Merquiades Savigne CUB W RSC 2 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban School Games Quarter-Final
    2002-07-16 75kg Yandi Prado CUB W 25:1 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban School Games Semi-Final
    2002-07-19 75kg Jose Fernandez CUB W RSC 3 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban School Games Final
    2003-01-25 75kg Yordanis Reve CUB W 18:10 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries
    2003-01-26 75kg Yordanis Despaigne CUB L AB 2 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-Final
    2003-02-28 75kg Ismail Syllakh UKR L ??? Volgograd, Russia Battle of Stalingrad Final
    2003-06-25 75kg Alexandru Stan ROM W RSCO 2 Bucharest, Romania World Cadet Championships Quarter-final
    2003-06-28 75kg Dmitriy Chudinov RUS L RSCO 2 Bucharest, Romania World Cadet Championships Semi-Final
    2003-06-?? 75kg Gerardo Castano CUB W 4:1 Havana, Cuba Balado Cup Final
    2004-01-?? 75kg Yosvany Delgado CUB W 22:12 Camaguey, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries
    2004-01-?? 75kg Wiliam Ordaz CUB L 5:0 Camaguey, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-Final
    2004-04-25 75kg Cruz Gil VEN W 27:15 Guantanamo, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Quarter-final
    2004-04-27 75kg Aldo Moreno CUB W WO. Guantanamo, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Semi-final
    2004-04-28 75kg Yordanis Despaigne CUB L 23:7 Guantanamo, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Final
    2004-05-22 75kg Eduard Gutknecht GER W 30:18 Salem, Germany dual GER-CUBu19 dual GER-CUBu19 12:10
    2004-06-13 75kg Sergejs Sostaks LAT W RSCO 2 Jeju, South Korea World Junior Championships Preliminaries 1/16
    2004-06-14 75kg Dmitriy Chudinov RUS L RSCO 2 Jeju, South Korea World Junior Championships Preliminaries 1/8
    2005-01-24 81kg Osmay Acosta CUB W DQ 4 Pinar del Rio, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries
    2005-01-26 81kg Daniel Lescay CUB W 4:1 Pinar del Rio, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-Final
    2005-01-28 81kg Yoandri Maceo CUB W 17:5 Pinar del Rio, Cuba Cuban Nationals Semi-Final
    2005-01-30 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB L 14:12 Pinar del Rio, Cuba Cuban Nationals Final
    2005-02-23 81kg Rimvydas Zilinskas LTU W ??? Volgograd, Russia Battle of Stalingrad Quarter-Final
    2005-02-26 81kg Alexandr Karakazyan RUS W ??? Volgograd, Russia Battle of Stalingrad Semi-Final
    2005-02-27 81kg Alexandr Kolpakov RUS W ??? Volgograd, Russia Battle of Stalingrad Final
    2005-04-25 81kg Wualfredo Rivero VEN W 24:7 Cienfuegos, Cuba Cordova Cardin Quarter-Final
    2005-04-27 81kg Ismaikel Perez CUB L 25:20 Cienfuegos, Cuba Cordova Cardin Semi-Final
    2005-05-13 75kg Mamadou Diambang FRA W RSCO 3 Bastia, France Coupe des Nations Quarter-Final
    2005-05-14 75kg Robert Woge GER W RSCO 3 Bastia, France Coupe des Nations Semi-Final
    2005-05-15 75kg Nabil Kassel ALG W AB 2 Bastia, France Coupe des Nations Final
    2005-05-20 75kg Mamadou Diambang FRA W 27:19 Sannois, France Dual FRA-CUB Dual FRA-CUB 12:6
    2005-06-27 81kg Eleider Alvarez COL W RSC 4 Matanzas, Cuba ALBA Games Semi-Final
    2005-06-29 81kg Ismaikel Perez CUB W 37:9 Matanzas, Cuba ALBA Games Final
    2005-07-12 81kg Elnur Kadyrov AZE W RSC 1 Moscow, Russia World Cup Dual CUB-THA 20:2
    2005-07-13 81kg Ovidiu Chereches ROM W RSCO 2 Moscow, Russia World Cup Dual CUB-ROM 22:0
    2005-07-16 81kg Erdos Dzhanabergenov KZK L RSCH 2 Moscow, Russia World Cup Dual CUB-KZK 12:10
    2006-01-23 81kg Osmany Leyva CUB W RSC 4 Bayamo, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries
    2006-01-25 81kg Yoandri Maceo CUB W 21:20 Bayamo, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-final
    2006-01-30 81kg Geoelquis Barrientos CUB W 25:10 Bayamo, Cuba Cuban Nationals Semi-final
    2006-02-01 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB L 16:7 Bayamo, Cuba Cuban Nationals Final
    2006-03-15 81kg Domingo Peguero DOM W RSC 2 Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican R Independence Cup Quarter-final
    2006-03-17 81kg Washington Luiz BRA L 3:2 Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican R Independence Cup Semi-final
    2006-05-02 81kg Zhang Xiaoping CHN W 14:12 Havana, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Quarter-final
    2006-05-04 81kg Yoelis Leal CUB W 33:11 Havana, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Semi-final
    2006-05-05 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB L 20:7 Havana, Cuba Cuban Olympiad Final
    2006-09-25 81kg Erdos Dzhanabergenov KZK L ??? Aktau, Kazakhstan Boltekuly Memorial Final
    2006-10-15 81kg Erbol Dutbayev KZK W RSCO Baku, Azerbaijan World Cup Duals CUB-KZK 18:4
    2006-10-17 81kg Christopher Downs USA W 39:19 Baku, Azerbaijan World Cup Duals CUB-USA 22:0
    2006-10-19 81kg Javid Taghiev AZE W RSCO 2 Baku, Azerbaijan World Cup Duals CUB-AZE 22:0
    2006-10-21 81kg Artur Beterbiyev RUS L RSCI 1 Baku, Azerbaijan World Cup Duals CUB-RUS 12:10
    2007-01-17 81kg Yoelis Leal CUB W RSCO Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries
    2007-01-20 81kg Erislandy Savon CUB W 19:9 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-final
    2007-01-22 81kg Yoendri Baro CUB W 24:8 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban Nationals Semi-final
    2007-01-24 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB L 13:7 Sancti Spiritus, Cuba Cuban Nationals Final
    2007-04-03 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB W 10:7 Havana, Cuba Cuban Challenge Matches
    2007-05-05 91kg Azea Augustama HAI W RSC 3 San Juan de los Morros, Venezuela ALBA Games Quarter-final
    2007-05-07 91kg Edgar Munoz VEN L 13:10 San Juan de los Morros, Venezuela ALBA Games Semi-final
    2007-05-18 91kg Jose Payares VEN W 5:0 Valencia, Venezuela Batalla de Carabobo Semi-final
    2007-05-19 91kg Jorge Quinones ECU W AB 2 Valencia, Venezuela Batalla de Carabobo Final
    2007-05-27 81kg Eleider Alvarez COL W AB 3 Santa Clara, Cuba Cordova Cardin Semi-final
    2007-05-29 81kg Yusiel Napoles CUB L 16:10 Santa Clara, Cuba Cordova Cardin Final
    2007-07-13 81kg Yerkabulan Shinaliev KZK W ??? Temirtau, Kazakhstan dual KZK-CUB dual KZK-CUB 14:6
    2007-07-15 81kg Alexandr Moskovskiy KZK W ??? Satpayev, Kazakhstan dual KZK-CUB dual KZK-CUB 12:8
    2008-01-16 81kg Carlos Medina CUB W 11:2 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries 1/16
    2008-01-18 81kg Alain Herrera CUB W RSCO 3 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Preliminaries 1/8
    2008-01-22 81kg Pedro Julio Rodriguez CUB W 23:9 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Quarter-final
    2008-01-24 81kg Julio Cesar de la Cruz CUB L 22:7 Holguin, Cuba Cuban Nationals Semi-final
    2008-02-01 81kg Anastasios Berdesis GRE W 18:11 Plovdiv, Bulgaria Strandja Memorial Quarter-final
    2008-02-02 81kg Dmitriy Chudinov RUS L 32:24 Plovdiv, Bulgaria Strandja Memorial Semi-final
    2008-02-?? 81kg Yordanis Despaigne CUB L 2:1 Havana, Cuba National Meeting
    2008-02-18 81kg Dairon Lester Jimenez CUB W 5:0 Havana, Cuba International Meeting
     
  10. MetalLicker

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    This is going to be a great fight. Potentially a FOTY candidate.

    Gassiev is more proven at the top level, but Dorticos should not be underestimated going into this fight. They're both big punches and whoever can land clean first could end the fight.

    I tip the fight to Gassiev at 60/40, but I would not be surprised if Dorticos wins.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Regardless of whether or not he ever has, I am convinced Gassiev will KO him because of the Edison Miranda fight.

    While it may seem contradictory to my finding, he took a lot of clean shots from Miranda (who did pack quite a wallop) - so his chin definitely isn't glass, but the important takeaway here is that Dorticos is really not that difficult to hit. This is further evidenced by him taking so many L's, as houmzz points out in his post above. 51-21 for a Cuban is a terrible rate of success, no matter how tough one's schedule of competition. Plus, when he fought Kudryashov it was clearly a fraught situation where the first man to land big was going to be the one to stay awake. Dorticos is no archetypal slick Cuban. A zombie, halfway-shot version of Pantera managed to pretty effortlessly tag him up (and that was the night I decided that Dorticos was empty hype and just a KO waiting to happen) and Gassiev punches, IMO, harder than Kudryashov and Miranda combined. I'm serious, I don't think people realize just how brutal Gassiev is. (yes a few people went the distance with him without getting dropped early on but as he grows into his man-strength and polishes his technique his power is growing in tremendous proportions - just ask his bruised up sparring partners, including Ola Afolabi who declared him by far the harder puncher he ever felt. Not to mention everyone that has gone the distance with him in the last few years, including the iron-chinned Lebedev, has tasted canvas multiples times in the bargain)
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    That's just Dorticos' partial record he's reputed to have had 257 amateur fights in total.
     
  13. Serge

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    He's been down once as a pro, against Eric Fields. He was stopped in the amateurs by a Kazakh (in video Kevin Willis posted) but I thought he displayed a good set of whiskers against Youri Kalenga.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Still, for seventy fights selected at random (unless you're implying that houmzz very carefully and deliberately compiled an unflattering list) to have a 70% winning percentage means he wasn't up to snuff with the amateur elites among his countrymen.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...and against Miranda, but like I said, the fact that Kalenga/Miranda were even able to land enough clean shots for us to gauge that his chin isn't bone china means he's in a world of trouble. Not everyone is a believer in Gassiev's power (yet) but I think he punches much harder than anyone Dorticos has ever fought (and yes I realize that's saying something)