This thread so far reminds me of one of the last calls I took tonight. Lady calls in and says "I just became Medicare eligible but my husband's HR dept set tomorrow as the deadline to do his open enrollment paperwork; he can stick with a family plan and keep me as dependent or switch to individual for far less money. Since we never used our insurance much, I'm looking to get an idea of whether it's worth it to keep it or go all in with Medicare. Could you tell me what is covered? We never got a handbook". "Well, happy to ship out a handbook, though it'll take a week to arrive by mail and it sounds like you need to make a decision in the next 24 hours. As for 'what is covered'...well, that's several hundred pages worth of information in your handbook. If you're curious about something specific, like say, chiropractic care, I can look up your allowed visits, copays things like that. But 'what is covered?' is far too open-ended a question for me to assist you with short of us spending about eight hours here on the phone...and the missus has dinner waiting, that's kind of my priority..." Sorry for the 100% unhelpful post! :good
For starters, here's its most notable members: Jimmy Bivins Charley Burley Lloyd Marshall Holman Williams And after them comes: Eddie Booker Cocoa Kid Jack Chase Nate Bolden ...among others. They all were prevented from getting title shots and/or bigger money fights from a combination of their race, bad management, and the titles being frozen while the champions served in WW2.
Nate Bolden wasn't really a highly regarded member, if even a member at all. Certainly not as much as Tiger Wade.
Interesting stories all; Cocoa Kid probably has the most interesting story of all. There's still confusion as to whether he hails from Cuba or PR. Some think he was a Cuban who arrived in the US with Kid Chocolate, but stayed when the rest of his party was tossed back to the island, taking up the name Cocoa Kid. Of all the Murderer's Row members CK was the one who most notably wore the cuffs. His third round NC against Oakland Billy Smith is one of the most notorious dives in the history of the then-rotten Calafornian boxing. It's also of interest that he absolutely dominated Holman Williams in their series (Williams is arguably the most accomplished member of the Row), but struggled against seeming lesser fighters, dropping some odd decisions. He might be the most underated fighter in history. How you feel about this is how you view Cocoa Kid - was he a money-grabbing fighter who took the cash to take the dive where the other Row members struggled by? Or was he an isolated Cuban left alone in a foreign country who fell in with the wrong crowd. We'll never know, at a guess.
Just watched Moore vs Bivins 5 last night. The pair of them just oozed class. Feinting, slipping, sliding and some great exchanges. Don't know how much they got for it but I was thinking this would definitely be a ppv today and money well spent. Moore put him down in the 9th with a right uppercut and it looked like Bivins hit the canvas with his face injuring his eye.
I always seemed to rank Bivins as my number one of the Row, then Burley. It's just not that simple when you keep going over it and revising the situation though. Noone's mentioned that Moore himself was a member for an eternity so i'll throw that in.
man great info wonderin can you lot recommend me some notable fights and by da way lol i just reckon the term murderers row sounds badass
Very little footage exists of the core group. Burley-Smith is on YouTube, and Burley is Jones quick against a leading 175lb contender and noted puncher.
Moore fought a lot of these boys and labelled Burley and Booker the very best, not just of the Row, but of everyone he ever fought.