murray has started poorly

Yep he tried to bury him by putting him on cards stateside against medocre opposition. The only thing wrong with Murray is that people think he can go past domestic title status.

 

Lots of things wrong. Inactivity. Change of opponent. The original replacement not turning up. Not being allowed to fight a tune up on the Apr 4 card. Not being allowed to fight FEWKES on the Apr 4 date. Not being given a crack at Thaxton the British champ. These things prevent the development of a fighter. Young fighters have to be developed or they go stale.

Murray does tend to look average vs small shifty fighters. Now he has to be moved into a competitive domestic scene. If he wins the British and looks successful defending vs guys like Limond, Fewkes, and just maybe a moving-up Arthur/Mitchell or Foster Jr/Johanesson, ppl will be excited about how far the kid can go.

He can go beyond domestic level. In the gym he's beaten guys like Gomez, Bennett, Gary Reid - he's the British champ of gym work and all he has to do is transfer this to the ring.

I'll make a bold pick: Murray's going further than Romanov (who himself got seriosuly SPOILED in a recent fight, but didn't get pissed on by fans because no one saw it).

 

i just don't like his opponent being referred to as a spoiler. this is a tag i associate with unrefined journeymen who try to stop a skilled fighter from boxing and basically make the fight ugly.

but in this case he was being outboxed and outclassed by someone who on the night appeared to be more skillful (for the first half of the fight anyway).

yes, murray had an offnight and was gutted about not facing fewkes etc etc but give credit where due.

 

i agree murrays had a poor couple of months, but in all honesty its not like the odds were stacked against him, hamedi isnt by any means a world beater.
murray was preparing several months for the fewkes fight he was better conditioned then hamedi, hamedi only had a few hours notice. And from all accounts the fight should have atleast been a draw. I was prepared to give murray a chance to prove me wrong i thought he could be something beyond the domestic scene unfortunately things havent transpired as many people anticipated, and i think right now with the lackluster performances against non-entities, you'd be high on your own **** to think he'll go further then romanov

 

From all accounts it was not a draw. Ppl have picked up on the negative things, exaggerated them etc. I had Hamidi winning 2 or 3 rds. Murray was a clear winner. With 10 rounds it would've been even clearer.

Hamidi already had a fight penciled for next week, so is anyone going to come out and tell me that he'd not been training for that one? Also, I don't know what anyone else thinks, but did Hamidi not touch down in the 8th after taking 2 rights?

Hamidi's grabbing up close, way of retreating into a shell after taking good shots, fighting in spurts when the opponent is planning his next attack, IS in fact the work of a good journeyman. A fighter who makes everyone look beatable but somehow never quite manages to beat these guys.

We'll see how high on my own **** I am in the next couple of fights. If anyone saw Romanov v Zoff they would be shitting from a great height on Romanov. That's what these forums are for, no?

I believe Murray is cut from similar cloth to pressure fighters like Castillo, Soto and Vazquez. Yes they can look slow and upright and beatable sometimes. But give them a big fight, a title fight that motivates them, and they have a way of slowing down their opponents with body shots, of calmly negotiating hard 12 rounders, forcing a fight, making the opponent burn up energy in reacting to them, picking up the pace round by round, getting better as the fight goes on and being dominant in the late rounds v good opponents.

BTW lads, are Michael Gomez, Ricky Burns, and John Simpson all crap fighters? Because they were in more trouble than Murray was.

I'm not trying to slag off Hamidi. He does what he does & he's always competitive. He has that win over Crolla and several good performances. He can come back and hopefully win a British title one day when the lineup is a bit weaker. He saved Murray's bacon because there was nobody else to fight and good luck to Hamidi when he fights Lawton.

 

Well circumstances haven't exactly been stacked in Murray's favour given that, through no fault of his own, the Fewkes fight was moved back from March to May meaning by the time it came round he wouldn't have fought for 5 months, Fewkes then pulls out at short notice, Murray is linked with numerous stand in opponents and at the 11th hour they come up with Al Hamidi!

Have you actually had a chance to watch the fight yet? It was a poor performance by Murray but to state it should have at least been a draw certainly does not reflect all accounts - mine included.

You are right - Al Hamidi isn't by any means a world beater but I wouldn't call him a non entity either. He is a very live journeyman who is better than his record suggests. Only 6 months ago he fought British Champ John Simpson who undoubtedly has superior skills and is a boxer I rate highly but that fight also divided opinion about who had actually won. Official result - Simpson won by same margin as Murray. Unfortunately for Murray his fight, unlike the Simpson one, was on free to air TV and so has received more exposure and criticism.

I just think its a little premature to write Murray off. It amazes me sometimes how quickly the perception changes on here after a fighter has a couple of poor performances. No doubt it will change again if Murray impresses in his next fight.

 

given the places murray wants to go hamidi is a non entity, i'm sure he'd like to be in with fighters of international credentials.
i'm not writing murray off, he hasnt looked great in his last 2 fights, and lets be frank every time he goes to the states hes put in the ring with a lesser then average journeyman if his management are so confident in his abilities why not fight better opponents i'm not suggesting guys ranked in the top 10 but opponents who come with a decent record theres loads of them in the states why cherry pick opponents who'v come off huge loosing streaks or who fight 2 divisions below your weight class?
''I believe Murray is cut from similar cloth to pressure fighters like Castillo, Soto and Vazquez. Yes they can look slow and upright and beatable sometimes. But give them a big fight, a title fight that motivates them, and they have a way of slowing down their opponents with body shots, of calmly negotiating hard 12 rounders, forcing a fight, making the opponent burn up energy in reacting to them, picking up the pace round by round, getting better as the fight goes on and being dominant in the late rounds v good opponents.''
which top fighters did murray beat for u to suggest he only looks bad against poor quality opposition?

 

I was saying Castillo and Vazquez could be slow looking and have been written off loads of times, and when they're in "comedown" fights they seem really pedestrian. Look at Castillo in all his fights BETWEEN WBC title fights. But look what they can do at their best. Murray has a similar kind of style, doesn't look great vs a spoiler (that's what Hamidi was even introduced as) but motivated and with something exciting to fight for I'm sure Murray will really show some quality.

Murray was probably deflated the moment that he heard Fewkes pulled out. I rate him but I knew he wouldn't dazzle.

Anyway, re the US opponents. Murray's trainer said they've had proper notice - more than a week - for 2 ppl only through their whole career: Hickman and Mendoza. Those are the only 2 thorough preparations whatsoever. Did they even know whom they were fighting when they got on the plane those 2 or 3 times for America - I don't know.

I don't think they saw a DVD of Munguia until a day or 2 before the fight, as an example of when there was no chance to study the opponent.

The Fewkes pull out is a crying shame as they'd been through plenty of Fewkes fights on DVD, loads of time for the technical side, even if the ring rust/inactiivty was unfortunate.

 

Murray has taken fights at late notice in the States and Canada - as he is fighting on other promoters bills in those circumstances I expect it is them that have more say in the opponents than Murray's handlers.

The fact is he was due to fight a fellow unbeaten prospect at the weekend but unfortunately come the week of the fight Fewkes didn't have the stomach for it.

Murray has been consistently putting himself forward for a fight with British Champ Jon Thaxton but is probably suffering from being with the same promoter. One would assume that fight would be easy enough for Hennessy to make but they do not seem to want the two to meet in the ring.

 

Murray is ****!! He career is going downhill.

 

It isn't going downhill, it isn't going anywhere full stop.

 

Lets wait and see how he performs in his next fight. :good