I swear this place is an echo chamber, hive mind. You’re all the same. This place is going to the dogs. You realise in the 1890s they lifted weights, in the 1900s they lifted weights. Hart, Jeffries and Corbett…
we not talking about 1890s. Ken Norton was pro in 1967 to 1981 & says he never lifted weights as pro boxer. also Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes. not known to lift weights (did they?). even George Foreman (did he lift weight in pro at his peak?). trainers like Angelo Dundee clear said they would not let the boxers near weights. i am not sure what convince you so much Norton " liar ' he is only 205-212 at peak.age 29. is 6'3
It's the same with any type of training, though. All physical abilities will evaporate if not used. Stamina leaves a lot faster than muscle, for example.
So a 6'3", 220 pound fighter never documented to have done weight training or heavy farm work with a physique like Norton? Pre-1950, and most likely circa 1920-1949 due to the way training regimens evolved?
What are you talking about nothing? I provided fair qualifications and examples. The onus is on you to prove the weight training and merely stating “it’s really, really obvious” doesn’t actually cut it. Who in boxing in the 1950s was confirmed to have used steroids - what’s the “something” you have there? Also, specify the specialised weight work/strength training that was employed by Jeffries, McVey and Williams for significant gains beyond their natural physiques. Also, illustrate how it is in any way on par with mod. day accent on weight training. Show me “something” man.
yes but heavy weight training body building = more fatigue on the muscle & nervous ssytem. persons who pump iron 3-5 x a week are feel lethargic most the time LOL . walk around in zombie state! & but look good & maintain bulk & strength & even 2 x a week can drain. stamina exercise can be daily & less recovery needs.
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, and it depends what you mean by "confirmed," but... Vikki LaMotta accused her husband of using bull testicle injections and possibly other hormones circa 1951 in her autobiography. https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-b...9036-jeopardy-lamotta-sugar-ray-robinson-peds
Whaaat? Of course weights could have been used in some modicum measure - you realise there’s a certain level of maintained weight training in mind when discussing same. Corbett was mentioned as having done weights - his body did not necessarily scream any heavy accent on weights let alone him doing any weights at all. Is that the minimal level of weight training we’re calling in and upholding to make a point? John L likely did far more weight training than Corbett, merely by the action of his picking up and downing one pint after another. By that standard, the man was a weight lifting gym junkie. Jeffries was described as lifting/moving a 400-500 lb ? sand bag. A photo of said sand bag actually revealed it to be somewhat smaller than described and actually hung from a ceiling/beam.
Cheers, I have actually read that before. But then, without being so informed, would you have suspected LaMotta for having used based on physical appearance otherwise? - physical appearance being the the crux reference point of the argument, at least at this point in the discussion.
Hammer curls can take away your snap because of the muscles they target on both sides of the elbow. Upper forearm and bottom of the bicep. Worse thing a boxer can do along with building a wider chest.
No, but I don't think LaMotta's appearance is the crux of the argument. As I read @Journeyman92's posts, he's saying that a physique like Norton's isn't possible without weight training, PEDs, or both. In order to make that point, he's asking for counterexamples from a pre-PED era of Nortonesque boxers who didn't weight train. Now, it's quite true that you can take PEDs or use weights without getting a Nortonesque physique. But @Journeyman92 isn't saying that weights/PEDs always create physiques like Norton's. He's saying the mirror image of that: physiques like Norton's (almost?) always come from weights/PEDs. All A's are B, but not all B's are A.
Depends on the type of stamina training (and the type of weight training), and how often you're using weights.
This is going to sound cuckoo, and I completely sympathize, but I've met more than a few people throughout my life whom were naturally very muscular. Even to the point of passing for at least amateur bodybuilders.
Interesting. Off the top of my head, the limit of "natural" anomalous muscularity would probably be to find some non-weight-trained adults with a myostatin-related hypertrophy condition. If your friends are bigger than that, they probably do some sort of weight training equivalent. (And I'm not sure of the odds of ALL of your friends having myostatin hypertrophy issues.)
