MUST WATCH BOXING SURVEY - FINAL RESULTS

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Thank you very much for the kind words.

    Until you mentioned it, I hadn't looked, but at quick glance without double checking, looks like 21 out of 50 were indeed heavyweight contests. So 42%. I think (and I'm merely guessing here) that if I went through all 290 fights that received a mention, that percentage probably dips considerably. Maybe it would have been better to have everyone submit a Top 50 as opposed to a Top 25, and that may have been a bit "more balanced".

    But, at the same time, I won't lie - the heavyweight division was the original attraction for me. Granted, Hagler was my first boxing hero. But by and large, by the time Hagler retired, I followed heavyweights almost exclusively for nearly 10 years before I started expanding my boxing horizons more. So I do understand the appeal there.

    What I find interesting is there are a few heavyweight fights absent from the final result I may have there instead of some of those that did make the cut.
     
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    Thank you!
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    Thank you very much.

    I agree with what you're saying. I didn't agree with a few fights that made the final cut, and those I did agree with I would have ordered differently (much differently in some places). And there are a handful of fights I was surprised weren't close to making the cut, and some which didn't receive any mentions at all. But still, the final list feels solid to me on the whole. I do agree with @salsanchezfan that there may have been a disproportionate number of heavyweight fights, but at the same time I understand why that's the case. Heavyweights historically have always gotten more attention, more press, more exposure, and in the case of many (like me) becoming a fan of heavyweight boxing paves the way to becoming a fan of the sport moving south.

    My Top 25? Oh jeez. I haven't properly sorted out an entire Top 10 yet in my mind. But half the top 10 would have been in my Top 10, along with Foreman-Lyle and Archie-Durelle 1.

    Some day I'm going to run it back and create my own lists without input from others, but now I'm more focused on locking down the next survey theme here.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler was my first boxing hero as well.

    As to the heavies.....well I picked some too so I guess I can't complain too much. I don't, however, see a place for things like Tyson-Berbick or Tyson- Spinks. They were almost non- fights.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    Thank you so much, Jel. I really appreciate that.

    I envisioned and figured the basic presentation would roll something like this, but once you get working on it, the momentum starts taking on a life of its own. So I'm glad to hear that the summaries/clips jived well together.
     
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    Thank you, Mendoza!
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unless you post on it, let me know personally when you do this.

    Keep the great videos and surveys coming.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    That was a long read, so I had to pace myself or risk losing my voice. :lol:

    I had to take a few breaks as it was. But I think I started my final stretch at #18, and I was definitely fired-up by the time I got to Moore-Durelle 1.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

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    Thanks! Will do. But, realistically, I wasn't planning that any time soon.

    I have a few "bigger" projects in mind for this year, one of which I hope will be another Survey here. I'm not sure what the next Survey will be at this time, but the idea of Best Boxing Trainer is one that I'd like to tackle at some point or another. Maybe next, maybe not. But at some point.

    The problem with these "bigger projects" is they take a lot of time. But I do have 2 more in mind this year, 3 if we include the next Survey.
     
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  10. William Walker

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    What are the other two?
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    Ahh yes! I seem to recall you mentioning Hagler was likewise your first boxing hero as well. And I totally get what you mean. 21 out of 50 fights being Heavyweight seems a little heavy handed. But the good thing, I think, is that at least with heavyweights, we covered a lot of different decades. The oldest fight to make the cut was Dempsey-Firpo from 1923, and the most recent fight was Wlad-AJ from 2017.

    I'm not entirely sure which heavyweight fights I have "issue" with, however. I mean Tyson-Berbick? I get it. I totally understand why that would be included. And Tyson-Spinks more so. While Tyson-Spinks may only have lasted 91 seconds, it was two undefeated heavyweights, each of whom had a claim to call himself heavyweight champion. It didn't live up to the expectations of something like The Fight of the Century, of course. But historically, I definitely understand its inclusion.

    Perhaps if I revisit this theme in 10 years time (after the next Survey based on rankings per division, like the previous Survey), maybe next time I'll divide it into Top 50 Heavyweight Fights and Top 50 Non-Heavyweight Fights. I'm not sure, but I think there IS something to having an episode based on this type of idea that excludes heavyweights.

    That said, for this particular list, I do quite like the overall variety. Now I'm sure many of you here in the Survey have seen each and every one of these fights. But there were a few that I had never seen, which suggests to me that a lot of fans out there have probably missed out on more than I have. And even though I haven't crunched the numbers, of the 290 fights mentioned, there were many more I had never seen before, and I still plan to get through all of those as well.
     
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    One of them is a "surprise" of sorts, that I'd rather not share at this time.

    But the other one - I was actually going to work on last December, and I got sidetracked. I still don't have the right angle/approach just yet, but I would like to dedicate a piece to SRR. I'm tentatively "planning" to do something on him this year.

    On a related note, I'd love to some day dedicate something to Archie, but I can't do it with the subpar footage I have at this time.
     
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  13. William Walker

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    Ok. I understand and eagerly await.

    The dedication projects sound cool too.
     
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  14. Saintpat

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    I posted on the thread you dropped earlier today. It was the highlight of my morning coffee time to see that you had completed the project and shared it.

    I wasn’t able to sit down and watch it in full until this evening and I savored every moment. What a fantastic piece of work, both on the part of the Classic forum participants and on Rummy to put it all together.

    @Rumsfeld my man, you outdid yourself. Again.

    I want to voice my appreciation for your effort and your skill in putting it together. The highlights and your narration were masterclass.

    Thank you for making my day.
     
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  15. HDmexiqtioner

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    Great Job @Rumsfeld, really appreciated all the work you put in and the details you included.

    I love how it all broke down too.

    I am also curious since you saw all these fights or most of them for research if anything surprised you in addition to trends you saw? What were the true unknown gems you saw as well.

    Also, just curious for your input (maybe a good topic to discuss/survey) what do you believe was the greatest decade/period for boxing? Like this was the "Golden Age" of boxing?
     
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