mw to hw all euros at top.

Being lineal has nothing to do with having all the belts yourself it is only about beating the who beat the man etc. Pavlik is lineal at MW and Hatton is lineal at 140 but neither have unified.

 

Spot on. I respect Americans like Cunningham and Winky Wright for fighting now and again outside of the USA.

 

Actually that's not completely accurate. In the same interiew where Kelly said he MIGHT fight the winner of Wright/Williams he also said OR a unification fight. The January '09 date was pretty solid, but KP screwed the pooch big time by loosing to Hopkins.

When KP talked about the winner of Wright/Williams the first thing I thought was that he's hoping for Winky. There's bad blood there that goes back a few years. If Winky is still able to operate at the level he was at when he held Taylor to a draw, he is a far more challenging opponent the Abraham.

In addition, Williams has talked a ton of smack about Pavlik AFTER turning down a fight with him. I'm 100% sure Pav would love to get either guy in the ring with him.

Right now you could smear horse **** all over Abraham, and he still couldn't draw flies here in the USA. A unification fight between Pav and AA deserves a big build up. I would not be surprised to see AA on the undercard of Pavlik vs the Williams/Wright winner. Pavlik was on two Taylor cards before he got his shot.

From a legacy stand point beating the winner of Williams/Wright, and then Sturm, followed by AA, makes perfect sense. After Pavlik knocks AA out, who's gonna give a **** about these other fights? No one.

If Pavlik/Abraham is built up and promoted correctly it could be a HUGE EVENT. If it's not done correctly it'll just be Arthur losing his paper title on a PPV that does shitty numbers.

 

Not sure what you're talking about.

When 'the man' retires or moves out of the division, then the linear title is vacated. It then depends what your criteria is for re-establishing it.

Hatton is linear at 140 because he beat Tszyu. But Tszyu didn't beat 'the man', because the title was vacant. He re-established lineage by unifying the titles (some believe WBC and WBA are sufficient, so believe Tszyu was linear champion after beating Mitchell, some would also require the IBF, so believe that Tszyu was lineal after beating Judah). Pavlik is linear at MW because he beat Taylor who beat Hopkins. But Hopkins didn't beat 'the man', the linear title was vacant. Hopkins established a new lineage by beating Trinidad and hence unifying the belts.

The linear title at light heavyweight was vacated when Michael Spinks moved up to heavyweight in 1986. The titles were not unified again until Roy Jones did so.

So, if unification of the titles is your criteria to re-estbalish a lineage, there was no 'man' to beat, so Erdei could not beat him.

 

It would be huge in Germany. Have it there if US fans aren't bothered.

 

America has good reason to be worried about the state of it's boxing. As well as suffering a HUGE decline in the number of world class pro boxers, there's no reason for cheer in the amateurs either, where at the Olympics the USA won just a solitary bronze medal. Compare that with Gt Britain, a much smaller country who won a gold and two bronzes, or simply compare with Olypmics 10-30 years ago when the USA won dozens of boxing medals

 

Mayweather,Jones,Pavilk,Hopkins,Taylor,Tarver=combined total fights abroard=ONE

 

Mayweather never had a reason to travel. None of the good fighters from the divsions he was in were Euros or even Asian. Hatton I guess would be the only good Euro. However, they both made a lot more money by having the fight in the States.

 

Jones then?

 

There's nothing wrong with that although at MW PAV is #1...not Abraham. A good fight I'd love to see! At Lt HW you gotta give it to Joe even though Chad Dawson is waiting in the wings to take his spot....anther fight I'd love to see. At HW you got some BIG guys in the UK and they are gonna reign for a while IMO....but that is a VERY boring division. SMW is Kessler! He's solid like PAV and Crusier Weight Adamek is ver solid as well. But I thought he lost the Fight with USS! But it was a good fight.

The UK has some very talented fighters! No doubt about it and you all should be proud! But don't get comfortable.....the US did and we took a hit. But I'm glad to see good competition across the Pond. It's about time

 

Jones was the p4p king, and most of the best fighters from his era were American. Why the hell should he have gone abroad to beat up a bunch of guys that no one here even cared about?

 

Isn't Klitchko Russian? That is technically Asia. Abraham, and I won't give him top over Pavlik is Armenian? Is Armenia part of Europe? If you want to go by where fighters are based, you are going to lose a lot of ground across the board. I guess if you need to feel superior without putting any of your OWN effort in, research would be too much of a bother....:rofl

 

The Klits are Ukranian, which is in Europe. Amrenia is boderline. I think it can be considered part of both Europe and Asia.

 

1)As so many North Americans keep pointing out,and with some justification, a fighter cannot be considered to have been FULLY tested until he has fought a fellow world class boxer away from his homeland, and preferably in the other guy's own country.

2) The reason 'no one here' cares about them is because due to the USA being,perhaps with the excption of North Korea, the most insular country in the world,Americans are only interested in their own homegrown boxers,regardless of the obvious abilities of the non-USA boxers.So it's rather a 'chicken and egg' situation

 

Klitschko is Ukranian. Which is in Europe. As is Russia.

What was that about research?