MW Fantasy Tournament http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375146 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Originally, this was Benton vs Frank Flecher......I changed... Lewis is a much better addition to the tournament..and he was a much better fighter....former british and european MW champion, etc, fought at LHW and even at HW (once?) as far as I know, etc....He isn´t discussed much around here...and we have footage of some of his fights ! 15 Rounds Benton This content is protected Lewis This content is protected Who ?? Why ?? No explanation, your vote does not count.... A brief explanation is enough ! Closing date is 18 February Last fight of "Round 1"....... This content is protected
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Not a fair pairing. Ted Kid Lewis was a Welterweight, whilst Benton was a middleweight. Like comparing George Benton against Floyd Patterson. Not fair to Ted Kid Lewis, one of the best welterweights of alltime...
But he had a career at MW Burt.....European and Britsh MW Champion, faced some big guys....Do you think he wouldn´t have a chance here ?
Vic,of course he would have a chance. But Ted Kid Lewis's prime was as a welterweight, not when he fought Georges Carpentier who was a legit MW. Vic, when we compare the great racehorses of alltime, we put equal weights on each horse. Cheers...
You´re right Burt.....I don´t disagree with this to be honest..... But I did this matchup because I think everyone would agree that Lewis was the greater fighter P4P (right ?)......so, that size advantage for Benton would make the things more equal.....after all, Lewis beat the MW Roland Todd (among the others MWs he defeated), who arguably beat the ATG and big guy Tommy Loughran in 1923 (one of the worst decision ever at the Garden as far as I read about it)..... I can see a case being made for the Great and underrated Lewis, but at the end of the day I would go with Benton.....because of his size, his jab, footwork and speed (Lewis doesn´t look faster than him IMO on film...not sure how fair is to say that).....
Vic, your correct about Ted Kid Lewis being the greater P4P fighter. He was Britain's best ever fighter, who today is so darn underated as a welterweight...Just think Kid Lewis had 282 recorded bouts in his career against the finest fighters of his time. In comparison FOUR times the bouts Ray Leonard had !!! I have him only behind Ray Robinson H2H and in the mix with Britton, Ray Leonard, Tommy Ryan,Tommy Hearns, and Kid Gavilan. England's best ever...Cheers...
I think the weight wouldn't be an issue for Lewis. However, although he could burst out into his punching bursts and throw looping shots, Benton would figure him out after a few rounds and win a comfortable, but certainly competitive, decision.
I don't rate fighters as it's impossible to be 100% accurate. BUT I do agree with Burt - you don't make mythical matches that can tend to take away from a fighter. Ted Kid Lewis was a Welterweight and probably Britains best at the weight. So thats where we have to place him, compare him and rate him. ALL fighters like Lewis who fight UP, - because they were good enough to do so - well win or lose, this only adds to their greatness and pedigree at their own weight, ALL of them. Lewis could mix it with Benton and other great middles, but he would lose more often than not, But this takes nothing away from his greatness but only adds to it, because he had to be good enough in the first place to be allowed to do so! remember untill about the late 50s perhaps early 60s fighting UP was more common place but still needed sanctioned approval by a boxing board, today it doesn't happen much and many a pairing like took place in bygone days just wouldn't be allowed. thats what makes these past greats, better, because the best of them fought at the Top and UP on a 3 -5 weekly bases and for years on end.
This is a tournament of 2nd-3rd tier middleweights IIRC. No one is trying to downplay Lewis' ability or whatnot, don't know why everyone is so 'upset' by this :huh He probably won't get many picks. Oh, well, with another draw he may well of, **** happens.
Yeah.... He definitely was a Great WW....but he beat some good MWs in his career, and he was a fighter who was always facing size disavantages.....I wouldn´t rate him high as a MW, but H2H he is interesting to discuss even at MW.....he was great enough for that ! Certainly even more interesting in fights against fighters like Benton, Valdez, McClellan, JAckson, etc...very good fighters but not ATGs..... I´m not putting him against Robinson or Greb......by the way, Greb who faced Roland Todd and won by decision in a very tough fight, the same Roland Todd whom Lewis defeated.....Same Todd whom in the opinion of many won a fight against ATG LHW Lougrahn..... (not sure how to use the "whom" in phrases, probably I made grammatical errors there) :smoke
Benton would probably win but Lewis would as already said be competitive throughout the fight and the all-time great in this match-up can not be totally cast aside without the thought of a small upset entering ones head even for only a short period and yes i agree england's greatest fighter