Monzon post 1964 always found a way to not lose. Hagler probably had more ability than Monzon. But Carlos was more intelligent as a fighter. Monzon could adapt and change a plan in the middle of a fight. Hagler had a plan and kept to it. That is why he struggled some what with Duran and also the other reason he lost to Leonard. Monzon WS15 8-7
I like TBooze's post. I have similair feelings about this fight. One thing though - what does Hagler do around round 9 when he knows he's being beaten? I feel like Monzon would indeed win if it was a very close fight, but if Monzon started to dominate a little bit we might see something interesting. I'm not going to actually vote until i read some more posts.
No way Hagler should be winning this poll. Look at the return fight with Valdez, Monzon was down in the second yet dusted himself back up and outboxed and beat on Rodrigo from the 6th as soon as it looked like the chips where down for Carlos.If Marvin shook the Argentinian even a little bit Hagler would be in for a long night thereafter. Monzon did not know how to lose, & would not lose to Hagler. This is the best middleweight in history we are speaking about.
That's so true. Hagler was more gifted in many ways than Monzon, but that would not have mattered at all. Monzon's main attribute was his boxing brain. He would outsmart and outscore Hagler over 15 rounds, and it wouldn't be in dispute either. Monzon was the superior ring general and like you daid, he always found a way not to lose, or even better, always found a way to win. One of the greatest underrated boxing minds, Monzon was like Ali in this way.
Im gonna have to see more of this monzon guy because I know hagler was great & many of you pick carlos over him (although the votes dont reflect as much, weird, that happens quite a lot.)
Yeah good post. I agree with most of this. But Marvin is no fool. How is Monzon going to react when Hagler moves to plan B and starts trying to out and out bull Carlos? Say in the final third of the fight, for example - someone of his calibre is certianly going to ask questions of Monzon.
The problem is, Hagler's flaw was he could only folllow instructions; and tatically the Petronelli's were sometimes found wanting.
Even if this is so, the Petronelli's will not be so blind as to send Hagler out for round 10 with the same plan as they gave him in round 1 if he is 8-2 down. I just wonder what happens when Hagler makes a change.
This fight is one of the most difficult fantasy fights....Who has the dominant jab in the fight? Both were excellent. Monzon by split dec
I would be very surprised if this fight didn't go to a competitive decision. Personally, I favor Monzon, who I believe was the smarter fighter between these two extremely skilled and gifted champions. Good to see Monzon's taken the lead in the poll. He often doesn't get anywhere near the respect he deserves.
