MWT Tourney semi - HAGLER v MONZON

"Something Monzon never fought". You need to educate yourself.

 

I believe this would be Hagler's finest hour and finally silencing those wimpy doubters with a masterful exhibition of body punching. This one might look similar to Pryor Arguello 1 as long as Hagler comes out smoking the way he did in the Obel fight.

Hagler follows the logical plan, the one Joe Louis made famous: work the body and the head dies. Of course, Hagler would practice slipping and countering in the gym until he mastered it under actual full-out conditions.

And remember Monzon's protruding ribs. 15 rounds is an awful long time with a determined, even rabid Hagler chasing after him. Not to mention that Marvin held the edge in almost every physical catagory I can think of including the jab. Hagler's jab was explosive while Monzon's was more of a paw than anything so there's no way he would keep Hagler off. Plus, Hagler would slip under it and work him over.

But the main problem I have with Carlos was his slow hands. How can Monzon score? And against a mobile southpaw like Marvin?? :huh This is a serious matchup problem for King Carlos.

I don't see this going the distance.

 

That's the thing. No one remembers young Hagler. These people don't even recognize that Marvin was one of the most damaging punchers in ring history.

His right jab was a terrifying, flesh ripping weapon that was responsible for the 55 stitches in Hamsho's face and the cuts to Sibson's eye. He also ruined Lee and Hamani with the jab. When has Monzon ever demonstrated this level of destruction? So to answer the question, Hagler had the better jab.

Like I said, this fight isn't going the distance. Ring smarts is good to have and Monzon was sturdy to boot but Marvin is going out there to smoke him. A right hook to the temple would discombobulate him while a follow up hook to the jaw flattens him for the count.

 

Right on Legend! :good

 

On behalf of every knowledgeable person reading >>>atsch

 

Exactly! Someone who had one of the finest chins ever and was dropped twice I think in his whole career for like a total of 4 seconds isn't going to be knocked out by Hagler, who was hardly a home run hitter. I understand people who may think Hagler would win (I don't) but no one is getting knocked out in the fight.

 

Hagler starched the guy (big time) that starched Duran (not that I think Duran's heart was in that particular fight). Not that I want this to turn into a stupid he did this to that so that makes him better..

I'm not voting because I don't know that much about Monzon. One thing is for certain, Monzon would have to be very good to beat Hagler at his best!

 

On their absolute best nights head-to-head, I'm going to take Hagler by close SD. 8-7 in rounds, on the deciding scorecard- just doing enough down the stretch.

 

:good Exactly....I can not believe they actually think thatatsch Wikipedia & Boxrec bandits they are.

 

This is an awfully close matchup, let's dissect it point by point:

Speed: Hagler

Power: Monzon

Range: Monzon

Mobility: Hagler

Defense: Hagler

Combinations: Hagler

Strenght:Monzon

Stamina: Even

Chin: Even

Workrate: Hagler

Styles: Monzon

Heart: Even

As you see, both fighters are equally matched.

Monzon may be more adaptable but I think Hagler's superior combination punching and better workrate give him a close decision after 15 rounds.

 

I like Hagler in this one. Marvin would be busier and tougher to hit than Monzon who was a stand up straight kind of fighter. Monzon's height advantage would'nt matter just as Hearn's height and reach did'nt matter against Hagler either. Marvin would make Monzon fight at a faster pace than he is accustomed to and Hagler's combination punching would be too much for Carlos. Marvin fought the iron of the MW division while being avoided for quite some time while Carlos feasted on a bevy of unknown South American unknowns before getting his chance at Benvenuti. I see Hagler wearing down Monzon after a few frustrating early rounds and stopping him late in the fight. A prime hungry Hagler would be the best that Monzon ever fought and would prove to be too much for him as well.

 

Rooster,

I know you are a big Hagler fan, I am one as well, but your talking out of your ass here bud. Even if Marv came storming out of the gates against Monzon like he did against Hearns I seriously doubt that Hagler would be able to sustain a devestating enough unanswered attack on Monzon. Carlos had a great chin, stamina, reach , height and durability, moreso than any other of Hagler`s opponents throughout his career, so how is Hagler going to break him down?

You seem to be overlooking the fact that Carlos isn't going to be just standing there IDLE, he'll be throwing just as much leather back at Hagler, and he could bang. Marvin had a damaging punch, but crunching KO POWER??, I don't think so. I think Monzon grinds his way to a UD, with Haglers face puffed up and bloodied. In this fight, I believe the xtra reach and height would really be important as Monzon uses this so effectively....

I`ll add that the Hagler that lost to Leonard was a Hagler that many believed didn't exist... one that would allow another fighter to get into his head. But that's what Leonard did, and Hagler fought Ray's fight, not his own. Monzon would not get into that "Marvelous" head. Still, I see this as a VERY close fight with Monzon winning a tough decision. While Hagler was the "Monster", Monzon was the "Master".

Hagler's aggression and switch hitting would give Carlos trouble, but Monzon, like Ali could go 15 without breaking a sweat. He was very economical and would land enough and together with his ring generalship would be viewed by the judges as being in control enough to squeeeze out a close, probably split decision in 15.Hagler vs Monzon might be a bit like Monzon vs Valdes. And before anyone jumps, NO I'm not saying Rodrigo Valdes was as great as Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

 

I'd take Monzon in a close descion. 9-6/8-7. I think he would just outbox Marvin for periods. Hagler at his peak was an animal though so i would not bet my house on it.

 

I second that atsch. For one thing Monzon had a Cast Iron chin ffs. Round 4? What were they thinking?

 

This would give a new definition to "Pride Fighting".

Physically they were different -Monzon was rangier and Hagler was built like a brick shithouse but both were very strong. I am not sure that Monzon was actually stronger than Hagler, but nor is the opposite position necessarily true.

Monzon had that Frankenstein-type strength and he fought a bit like that too -straight up, relentless, deliberate, slow to average, and hard punching. His lack of speed was compensated by Arguello-like precision. And he always seemed to find a way, yes indeed. Monzon's psychology was about as good as it gets for a champion -total confidence combined with a bit of sadism and in his case, downright evil.

Hagler gets what I believe is a rap that is better suited to Louis than him. People see the poor strategy against Leonard and damn his whole career as unimaginative. I am not convinced... He was during his prime, a very complicated boxer-puncher. Even a man of Duran's caliber was downright confused by the smooth stance switch-a-roos. He would revert to orthodox from southpaw during a combination -and that is difficult to deal with. He's hitting you from all angles and they land heavy. He's hard to read in there. He also had a deceptively long reach, decent speed circa 1980 and his fundamentals were better than Monzon's. In fact, Hagler was exceptionally well-schooled. He was excellent inside and his shots were not only coming in heavily from unexpected angles, but were varied as well.

Hagler fought like Nat Turner must have during that slave rebellion in Virginia back in 1831. Viciously and intelligently. I believe that his later bouts versus Hearns, Roldan, and Mugabi, confirm how tough and durable the man was. His speed and mobility and timing had eroded just enough to force him to rely on those primitive qualities. Hearns showed us how he would deal under fire in a lightning storm -get close and bang away up and down. Roldan showed us how he would deal with a bull of a fighter who was unorthodox and physically very strong. Mugabi showed us how Hagler would weather heavy artillery and have patience to bring his man into deep water to drown him.

Between the ears, Hagler was Nat Turner.

I think that these two are about even with conditioning, power, strength, determination, and probably the chin more or less too. Hagler was more versatile, had a better range of artillery, and was more versatile and complicated. Monzon, many here assert, was more adaptable during a fight, but I believe that his secret wasn't that -it was the force of his will. And that edge is neutralized here.

I have to choose Hagler via decision.