MWT Tourney semi - HAGLER v MONZON

You seem to be a big Hagler fan, is there any middle you'd pick against him?

 

Nah, Burley's got that mantle

 

For my money, the best chance stylistically goes to 1950 Robinson.

I think that the necessities to defeat Hagler is speed, mobility, and a respectable punch. I doubt that Leonard would have ever went 15 with him but his performance took a page out of Duran and a few pages out of Robinson (vs. Lamotta, 1951). Robinson wrote the book on how to deal with stronger, determined men, who never said never. He was incredibly versatile and did all things well. He was the greatest matador I ever saw.

However, Turpin beat him... there were mitigating factors in that loss, but Turpin beat him with unorthodoxy really. And Hagler was about as complicated as it gets in there...

 

Many older observers would see the opposite. Monzon's one seriously effective fighter. At face value he can easily cast aside due to lack of glam and glitter, but when it comes to actually getting the job done he is quite possibly the greatest 160 of them all. If anything Monzon might even be a 6-5 favourite here, even money at worst and possibly likely. There's no way Hagler would start favourite. Monzon is that good.

 

He talks out of his ass all the time.

 

You act as though you actually saw him in action.

 

Watched the monzon v valdez fights back to back yesterday,carlos was great at tying his man up inside to nullify body work,and his jab,jab right cross was machine like,methodical and brutally persistant. Add to that the 6ft huge middle frame,long reach,huge stamina,ability off the back foot,evasiveness,heavy handedness,iron chin and most of all the will of an elephant and you see that this fight is a very formidable challenge for marvin,in fact i dont see how marvin could beat monzon,carlos is just stylistically wrong for hagler,though this would have some great exchanges when hagler tried to catch up....
Monzon UD 15...

 

I don't see how Monzon would ever connect on Hagler. fighting in slow motion he resembled a man throwing blows under water. By the way, how did you ever stay awake watching him in back to back 15 round bouts?

 

Roldan connected repatedly early on v hagler and he was short and squat compared to monzon,roldan wasnt ray leonard in speed either...
Hagler had some snoozy fights in the seventies,he was more an out-boxer back then,just look at his 'dancing' v cyclone hart,boring dancing like against duran in the 11th round....
Monzon valdez were good action fights,especially the second one.....
Finally,at least monzon fought and beat a great natural middle (the aformentined valdez X2 to boot.) won ALL of his title fights and didnt have any losses to former welters.....Look to monzon v napoles on how a great middle beats a great welter,rather than losing a split decision.....Napoles was near his prime as well,he definately had more than one fight in five years......

 

I've got a solid handful of his fights. How's youtube, did it have him?

 

You're a liar! Napoles was out of boxing the following year and was put there permanently. How the hell can you sit there and type this bull**** and expect me to believe what you're telling me? You complete dummy you!! Talk about dumb statements. Go out and get yourself some boxing knowledge before debating with me. How dare you!! :twisted:

 

I don't believe you. You're always lying.