My 1950-1955 Heavyweight styles mini article....Please Enjoy

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SuzieQ49, Jul 24, 2008.


  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    awesome I cant wait to read!!


    spoon was one of the most talented big heavyweights I have seen, and at his best in shape few of that era could beat him. However by 1985, spoon was not the same anymore and had grown a pair of man boobs by 1985, he had lost his motivation and his shape deteriorating physically. while he did shutout bonecrusher in his last boxing masterpiece in 85 the end was near and soon he recorded a points win over a talented tubbs in one of the most lackluster affairs over two out of shape fighters. he went on to stop frank bruno in a war, and had the spectacular ecklung kayo.......but he got starched by bonecrusher in one round. his best days were long behind him.....evident of his struggle with mike williams from Rocky V. a couple posters here tried to claim tyson ducked spoon, lets just sake it was lucky for spoons sake the man boobs fat witherspoon of 86-87 did not have to receive a 4 round battering at the hands of a peak mike tyson.


    I think at this point, 1985-1990 spoon rates in the top 10 and borderline top 5 but thats as far as i would put him.



    Holyfield h2h rates right at # 2, he was at his best IMO during the late 1980s when his combinations and speed were at their tops. and though some of his top HW victims were way over the hill(tillis thomas) or obese lol(douglas) he did record some impressive wins over a motivated dokes and undefeated stewart. all depends on how much u take accomplishments vs h2h. either way i say holy rates top 5.



    Spinx is hard to rate. He was the first to beat larry holmes, dominated a washed up mentally wrecked cooney, and a average steffan tangstad.
    h2h he rates highly with his experience skill and unorthodox style, but accomplishments wise he is unproven vs wide variety of contenders. top 10 defintley.

    I would rate them during this period


    1. Holyfield
    2 and 3 spinx or spoon toss up take your pick...spinx was a little closer to his best than spoon so prob spinx.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    I do agree, although rocky did prove himself against one albeit older hard punching big heavyweight.......6'2 215lb joe louis. I think the louis fight shows he would have been able to handle valdez. Louis actually knocked out nino valdez on march. 14 1950 in one round in a live exhibition. valdez himself had loads of trouble with men marcianos size(satterfield moore).....according to papers nino had trouble with fighters who fought out of a crouch. defintley a legacy booster, but so would have been patterson in 1956.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    you make very strong points, and like I said you can make a case either way. One thing I will comment on was the charles-layne II decision was very crooked, laynes friend dempsey had quite the bias scorecard and according to the times practically all of ringside scored for charles. valdez on the otherhand beat ezz more clearly and cleanly.
     
  4. Muchmoore

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    That's how I rated them as well, thanks :good
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I think it is a great list and thesis ... I keep rereading it to fully digest it .. one fighter I have never seen on film is Valdez who has always been of interest to me. Even on Youtube, nothing ... was he robbed of a victory v.s. Archie Moore in Vegas ? Has anyone seen that fight ?
     
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    I agree and Nino lost the Big ones at wrong time...the Moore elimination and previous loss to Archie put Archie ahead but Archie also had a KO over Baker, a tko over Harold Johnson...also Nino got Beaten soundly by Bob Satterfield and was lucky to survive the 9 count in there 1955 fight. Bob Satterfield was already Ko'd in 2 by Ezzard Charles and Ko'd by Archie ...Nino was not in the class of Louis (even an older one and the 1 rd blastout by a puncher of Louis calibur would be a preview to what Marciano would have done to him. The overhand right that Ko'd Rex Layne and 6"4 Carmine Vingo was a brutal one I do feel strongly that Nino would have been out classed by the rock, still in retrospect I would have loved to see it. Rocky did fight the best and avoided no one. Moore was there more dangerous foe at the time and truley deserved the shot. Charles had 2 great spectacular ko's over 6"3 Coley Wallace and Bob Saterfeild to boast him in place for a title shot and he was in great shape and ready for his fight vs Rocky. Lastarza was a great boxer though somewhat protected but his first fight vs Marciano and some good wins over 6"2 Dan Bucceroni, Big Bill Wilson,Ted Lowry, Keene Simmons,Rex Layne and a 53-3 record made the fight marketable. I think the smaller men of that era like Walcott,Charles,Satterfield,Henry,Lastarza,Moore did there share of eliminating the less talented Bigger men