My 20 Greatest Composite Punchers, All Time

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I guess as far as ESB goes, Janitor would be your man. For Christ sake, don't ask Sweet Pea.
     
  2. ThePlugInBabies

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    :lol:

    yeah i've seen sweet pea claim he is vastly overrated.
     
  3. McGrain

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    A better puncher than Dick Tiger?

    How about Marvin Hagler?
     
  4. Manassa

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    Better than both. Granted, he was not always in punching mode, but then neither was Ray Robinson. Both, however, blazed far brighter than the two you mentioned when in full flight.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Bit flowery for me, but OK, noted.

    I do disagre about Robinson, at least at MW (not so sure about WW). Robinson really sat down on his punches in the fights i've seen him in, and he's also very busy spending most of his time in and around the firing range.
     
  6. Manassa

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    The point is that both he and Williams spent a fair amount of time on the back foot, boxing and picking - a fighter like Tiger was nearly always on the offence, looking to dish out damage. And he was good at doing that, but not as good as Williams or Robinson when they stepped up in gear. Seriously, I have not seen a finish as good as Williams' first round knockout of Jose Gatica - ever. The only one that may match it, at least from the era, is his stoppage of Beau Jack for pure intensity.
     
  7. McGrain

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    But me and you have had this before. I don't see being on the backfoot as neccesarily being a bar to great punching, or even aggression when done properly. It's the difference between Leonard and Robinson. Williams wasn't anything like Robinson's equal in this department.

    Tiger's punching was lethal though - it was almost impossible for someone to punch with him and do anything other than lose. Though I agree Robinson is a better puncher overall than Tiger, as you know - not yet convinced by the Williams shout though.

    Aye - pretty special right enough. Maybe I will look again.
     
  8. Manassa

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    I don't know what you mean by this. I never said 'the better someone is on the backfoot, the better they are at punching.'

    Tiger was a savage puncher, but he was so good up close from a combination of strength and stability. Nobody could move him back, so they had no other choice but to retreat.

    Williams KO1 Gatica is a must-watch. Williams' jaw-breaking of the heavier Bratton is nice as well.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Just what it said though. Because Robinson is boxing doesn't mean he is picking (unless you mean "picking his punches" as opposed to "picking away at his opponent).
     
  10. Manassa

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    Okay, don't get too trivial on my choice of words. I meant taking the back foot.
     
  11. ChrisPontius

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    He looekd horrible, sure. But we're talking about all-round punchers, in other words, the ability to stop a man, right?


    p.s. Joe Louis, who is mostly #1 or #2 at these lists, and rightfully so, also fell down after throwing a punch.
     
  12. Manassa

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    Against Abe Simon in their rematch if I recall, round one or two. The rest of that thrashing was flawless, however. Simon took a real beating, although he took harder punches in round five than the one that knocked him out in round six.
     
  13. Mantequilla

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    Jofre, Arguello and Louis.
     
  14. ron u.k.

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    well holmsey you are definitely stretching our friendship here mate.not the super or should i say "lucky"jinky milner bit.but your f****** avatar with that little horrible t***!
     
  15. ron u.k.

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    you've answered me mate in your reply to a poster above,your not just talking power.i wouldn't argue with tiger on overall punching effectivness,he was a great fighter anyway:good