My All-Time 60 Best British Fighters

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TBooze, May 12, 2011.


  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Moran does seem one of them fighters, that the more you get to know of him, the higher he will go up the list.
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Suffice to say i completely disagree with a lot of the list;), but fair play for attempting one.You should post it in the classic as well Booze.

    Couple of brief observations

    McGowan and Rudkin ridiculously low considering their talent and depth of era and opposition faced.

    hatton far too high, a marginal talent and overachiever at world level.

    Woods, Witter, Marsh, McCauley, McKenzie, Andries are all too high.Some shouldn't be there at all. imo You could find a good number of euro or even Brit level fighters from even the 80s and certainly 70s and back who were better fighters than Witter or Woods imo.A lot of your honourable mentions are better.

    Finnegan brothers, Dave Charnley and Curvis should have made it imo.
     
  3. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    Good effort, but Hamed, Eubank and Benn above Buchanan doesn't sit right with me. Also, both Rudkin and McGowan would be higher in my list, certainly well above Herbie Hide.

    Edit - In fact, the more I look at this list the more I totally disagree with it. Fair enough it's your opinion, but there's some crazy stuff in there.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Buchanan's star burnt bright, but for only a shortish period of time. Yes bad timing and an inability to get the matches he wanted cost him, but this is not a list of the most unlucky fighters. Naseem, Eubank and Benn constantly got and often won career defining fights over a longer period of time than Ken.

    Was Buchanan more talented? Maybe, yes, but Buchanan wasted that talent though bad management and lets be honest poor training habits. This list is not about wasted potential...

    (And absolutely no offence intended to AlFrancis, I am merely trying to be subjective in my opinion) Rudkin and McGowan were both very good fighters, who fought in a strong era, but lacked that career defining win, to boost them up the list. Yes, they may of been unlucky to lose the odd fight on away soil, but this list as mentioned above, does not take that into account.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Don't you rate fighters not only on resume, but the body of work that encompasses it; the attributes they displayed in their fights, and the ability they demonstrated?

    When you've got a lot of fighters whos resumes don't stand out, surely you use your own opinions to base who the 'better' fighter was? Both McGowan and Rudkin were oustanding in losing efforts against quality fighters.

    Pushing Harada and Rose to the limit, away, is proof of quality IMO. Certainly more so than Robinsons meaningles strap, and a journeyman career culminating in a decent run of average opponents, and a one-sided loss to a top-notch British fighter.

    Doesn't compare.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Surely Hatton over achieving at world level is a plus?

    I struggle to find the quality to replace Marsh, McAuley, Andries and McKenzie. And I would agree Woods and Witter would not of become world title holders in the 70s, but they would of still been heavily involved in the British and European scene, they had quality in them.

    The Finnegans were fine fighters, but again, where are the career defining wins? I only see courageous defeats against the absolute top level fighters on their resumes.

    If it was a popularity contest then yes, both of them are going to be top 30.
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I gave kudos to Rudkin's efforts against Rose and Harada; McGowan's series against Chionoi.

    But I considered the intangibles of a journeyman pro coming in as late substitute to win a title (as an underdog), that made him seemingly the weakest alphabet champion (up to that point) ever. Only to then systematically beat every decent Featherweight that Britain had (including two that were world ranked), until bumping into Naseem, as worth more.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Fair enough, you're certainly not half-arsed so I can only respect your opinion :good
     
  9. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously the fact he came from obscurity to become a decent alphabet operator is commendable. Surely though Rudkins wins over Caldwell and McGowan are equal too if not better than Hoko and Mckenzie. The taking into account he ran Harada a top 10 bantam close and lost a debatable decision to Rose should push his ranking up further as well as wins over a raft of Euro/ top British level opponents.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    They are better wins than a lot of the 60-30 on there :deal Add in that competition (IMO the greatest era for Bantams) and you have to rank Rudkin higher than 35 AT LEAST IMO.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    A couple of things I REALLY don't like about this list.

    Naseem Hamed does not belong in a top 10 let alone ahead of some of the names you have him.

    Ken Buchanan bizarrely that low.
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would put Caldwell and McGowan in a group just below Hoko and McMillan, and a bit further behind, still, McKenzie (though it was a 126lbs McKenzie, clearly pre fight, not the force he once was).

    And clearly Robinson does not have the level of names that Rudkin did, and Rudkin overall was more consistent, but at a lesser level than Robinson was for a two year period in the mid 90s.

    It is kind of the opposite point I was making about Graham, but the reason I feel I can use the argument, is that we are talking about fighters at a lesser level than that.

    I originally planned to do a top 100 list, but when I went though the fighters I felt merited debate as to whether they should be there, I think I had a 110 tops, which IMO, was not enough to justify a top 100 list.
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    60 is plenty. When you start dragging out the Herbie Hide's you know you've probably done a few too many already. But respect for going that far, its not easy past 25.
     
  14. TBooze

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    Look at Naseem's resume:

    He easily beat a streaking Robinson.

    He gutted out a win over a Medina who would have years left on the clock.

    Tom Johnson had not lost a fight for six years going into the Naseem fight, and was considered the premier Featherweight of the time.

    Kevin Kelley only had one defeat on his resume.

    Vazquez had one defeat in eight years going into their fight.

    McCullough was a still near the top of his game, with only the Zaragoza defeat going in.

    Cesar Soto was arguably at his peak going into the Naseem bout.

    And Bungu had not lost a fight for eight years.

    That is a pretty decent win resume compared to the vast majority of British fighters.
     
  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I felt 60 worked out well, you had to be a little bit special to get on the list. Even Herbie was not without merit and a bit of ability in his pomp. ;)