My all time middleweight rankings. 3 parts.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Oct 19, 2015.


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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Golovkin has never fought anyone even remotely as great or durable as Fullmer and Lamotta much less stopped a guy anywhere even remotely near that timezone of toughness. To compare his punching power to a guy who fought and stopped both is purely ridiculous. I understand being a fan of someone but leave the crazy ass hyperbole at the door because Golovkin has a long way to go before he earns the type of praise and rep you are generically manufacturing for him.
     
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  2. burt bienstock

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    Ray Robinson was at his acme as a welterweight fighter for I had seen him ringside plant his feet and unload a cascade of punches right on the button unlike any fighter I ever saw. As a MW, he lost some speed but nevertheless
    his fusillade of punches that he unloaded on LaMotta was staggering to see.
    I don't envision anyone in the MW division able to absorbing the dozens of
    blows LaMotta took while still on his feet, even Hagler for sure. LaMotta was
    to me a middleweight in a lightheavyweights body. Plus it must be remembered that Jake HAD to take off his frame 12 pounds, to make the
    160 pound MW limit, weakening him terribly. Robinson's camp knew about this and devised a plan for Ray to bide his time, and LaMotta did very well in
    the early rounds...As far as GGG goes his opposition cannot hold a candle to
    the fighters that LaMotta fought. The 1940s was a TOUGH age to compete.
    Having said this, GGG on what he has shown might very well have an alltime
    great set of whiskers, as he has NEVER been floored in about 345 amateur and pro bouts, and combined with a killer left punishing jab, wicked body punching, and powerful two handed combinations, GGG remains a force to avoid at all costs, and in my eyes belongs with the best middleweights from the 1940s on, though his opposition cannot compare to many middleweights of yesteryear...But I truly believe he would give anyone from the 1940s on,
    as much as they can handle...GGG gives "DRAHMA show...
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    A fence-sitting answer.

    Once again, zero knockdowns in 350+ fights, and hardly flinches when hit. Never covers up on the ropes, runs or clinches when hit.

    Those are the facts, and they have nothing to do with bias.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's not fence sitting; it's very simple but also complete as an answer. Golovkin hasn't proved an ATG chin. He hasn't been hit enough by serious men. That's not fence-sitting; that's absolute statement of position and as clear as day.

    You keep parrotting "zero knockdowns in 350 plus fights" but this needs to be quantified. The collosal majority of those fights were fought with headgear, big gloves, and a standing 8 count every time anyone got hurt. David Price was only stopped twice as an amateur :lol: It's impressive, his amatuer record, it impresses me; but it's just statistics. Who hit him? How hard? When? What was his reaction?

    Golovkin, has, at the very least, a very good chin I think. But bizarre claims about his being equal with ****ing Jake LaMotta are bizarre, unproven, and reek of bias i'm afraid. Or stupidity.

    And for a guy who earlier did some whining about my missing out on "some of your points", you skipped about 90% of my last post. I've no problem with that as a rule, but perhaps you should avoid whining about something in someone else that is a proven habit in your own posting.
     
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  5. Mendoza

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    Headgear actually increases the concussive force of a blow, but back to a point you might better understand. 320+ amateur fights is a lot of rounds. So simply take the rounds he fought, and the fact that he was never floored as proof positive that he has one heck of a chin. Then add all the pro fights. It would be foolhardy assume he was never hit hard in all of these contests.

    Very good chin at the bare minimum. I say great.

    I have no problem ranking him his durability right up there with LaMotta or Hagler.
     
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  6. dinovelvet

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    Chris Eubank could barely speak in the post fight interview against Benn after taking so many brutal blows. He then had to be taken straight to Hospital.

    Zale got his dome pounded on by Graziano , sucked it up and knocked him out.

    Getting up off the canvas to win proves the powers of ones chin and powers of recuperation. Getting up says more about how good your chin is . Show me GGG taking a knock out blow flush on the pucker?? You can't find one example. History shows real iron chinners taking power shot combos on the chin. 3G hasn't shown that

    Saying GGG is up at the very top of chins in an insult to the sport. Not getting hit doesn't = Iron chin

    Show me an unbeaten record and ill show you a boxer who never fought anybody

    GGG comp has been nothing but C level tweeners.

    Rosado would be dead if Gman or Benn hit him as much as Lemiux did. And this Lewmiex is meant to be some monster puncher when he couldn't stop a glass chinned Ndam with multiple of his best shots
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, you rank whoever you want, wherever you want; just don't expect anyone to take you seriously in comparing a fighter who has never been in really hard pro fight with Jake LaMotta very seriously. At all.
     
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