My American friends: If Mr. Joe Calzaghe shut-out Mikkel Kessler...

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  1. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Best of the last ten years? No. Jones was still in his prime just 5 years ago.

    P4P #1? I'd have him #2 behind Floyd (who is going to jump even further ahead by facing Hatton).
     
  2. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Nah, he will be top 10 on my list no doubt, but he has not proven himself like Joe has. Calzaghe has been on top for a while now.
     
  3. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Is that by ability or resume - in both cases? If by ability then I agree. However, Hatton will be his toughest match since Castillo. Think he would deserve a top 3, if he won vs Hatton. As it is, I don't see him removing Pacman and Winky by resume.
     
  4. Amsterdam

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    Joe Calzaghe even smokes Fedor in a streetfight. He can't be beaten, why does Kessler have even a little 10% lick of a chance?:think
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'm sick of that goddamn Mayweather, I will tell you that.
     
  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Ok. I respect your opinion. Lets hope that Kessler will continue to face challenges after JC.
     
  7. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    I have vomited already. The guy has abilities, but no way could I rate him no. 1 p4p for what he has done thus far.
     
  8. smokey

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    I'll take you on that. I'm not calling for a Kessler victory. I think it's possible, but I am confident that Joe won't get a blowout victory.
     
  9. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are referring to Floyd?

    Most lists go by resume (see Ring mag) and already have him at #1, ahead of Winky and Pac. It is subjective so your list is as good as anyone's. :good

    Hatton is a fellow undefeated top 10 P4Per, so beating Hatton does big things for PBF...but he is already at the top of the food chain right now, in the opinion of most.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I actually rate Manny Pac as my #1 P4P, even with his numerous flaws.

    Floyd has a great 130-135 resume, but above 140, it's just decent.

    Corley-Gatti-Mitchell-Judah-Baldomir-DLH(old).

    Those are some good names, but he didn't go all out on Baldomir and DLH, where he could have easily stopped both on accumulation by way of those masterful combinations... instead, he fights like a ****ing pansy and pot shots his way to a victory. The Judah bout was the last bout where we saw some really stunning Mayweather combinations.

    Afraid to break his precious little hands, when Calzaghe busted his in the 8th vs. Lacy and kept throwing bombs until the final bell, yet Calzaghe is a "*****" to most Americans...;)

    I'm not calling on a defencive style, everyone here knows that I am critical of a guys defence, but pot shotting, instead of using your full 100% ability is pretty pathetic.

    He's no warrior.
     
  11. smokey

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    Seriously. Outside of the record, watch the fights and analyze the opposition. I don't put Hatton in my top 5 P4p simply because he is so open to a slickster type fighter. In my opinion, you don't get top P4P ranking when you are so open to defeat by a particular style.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Floyd's taking Hatton because it's an easy fight for him, Floyd will unlikely take a hard fight in Miguel Cotto, whom man handles boxers so far.

    So a win over Hatton is a good start, but if that's all he's going to go for and then stay away from the other big names, then that deserves disrespect.
     
  13. digiram

    digiram Active Member Full Member

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    I'd give him props, but he'd still be behind PBF and Pac. Those are guys that have dominated their "natural" divisions and have proven to be able to win belts at higher weight classes. If he beats Kessler, then moves up to beat like an Ademak or Dawson, maybe even B-hop, then I might consider moving him towards 1 or 2.
     
  14. smokey

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    Slow plodding agressors are Floyd's bread and butter. Hatton has a much better chance due to style.
     
  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    They are good names, but Pacman has great names on his resume - so Pacman should rightfully be no. 1.:good

    Even if I still feel that Oscar won the fight, I want to give PBF credit for fighting with so many things against him(ring-, glovesize, weightclass) .

    I think his accomblishments by resume is highly overrated, and I agree that he is no warrior. I had expected more.