My analysis of PBF-Ortiz

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    The fight is almost here and congrats to both men for stepping up and making this fight, it should be a great night of boxing.

    The biggest mistake people are making in this fight is that they're using Victor's performance against Berto as case for why he'll give PBF fits or beat him which couldn't be more wrong. First Berto and PBF fight nothing alike and the fight they should be looking at is the Lamont Peterson fight. Peterson unlike Berto who basically is a slugger with speed actually has good boxing skills and after a rocky start outboxed Victor for large stretches on the way to a draw. Victor had no answer for Peterson's right hand which he landed often flush and easily. Peterson also countered Ortiz and his movement gave Ortiz problems as well.

    Now fast forward to PBF-Ortiz you have Ortiz a coverted southpaw not a natural one. Many people say Ortiz being a southpaw will give PBF problems true early on he might but Ortiz isn't the type of fighter that would give him problems because he's not a natural counter-puncher doesn't jab and he doesn't pick his shots, he's reckless and leaves himslf wide open at times. You have agruably the best right hand in the sport in PBF who can lead or counter with it. PBF can do the same thing Peterson can do but more. I see this fight being mostly one-sided here's why. Ortiz for all his youth, hunger, speed and power IMO is a front runner who preys on guys who he can take bully and advantage of early, guys with low boxing IQ and who can't adjust and are there to be hit. If you can get Ortiz out of the first 3 or 4 rounds you then enter a boxing match where Ortiz has shown he can be outboxed by fighters' with good skills like Peterson for example.

    Ortiz although blessed with nautral talent and skills IMO has fallen in love with his power and that will be his undoing against PBF. He won't work in behind his jab creating educated pressure to set up his shots and get to the body but instead I see him trying to go to war with PBF a war that won't actually occur or only happens when PBF wants it to. I see Ortiz getting beat to punch from the outside and PBF will find a home for his southpaw killer his straight right hand. I see PBF also comitting to a body attack early on in this fight which will pay off late. By the mid rounds Ortiz will become frustrated at his lack of ability to hit PBF with anything of note and he will become more and more reckless playing to the crowd like he did in the Maidana fight pressing and leaving himself open. Even on the inside where Ortiz can fight he will be taken to school and walked into shots he doesn't see and hurt there as well. This fight has boxing lesson written all over it because Ortiz being in love with his power and his not fighting anyone even close to PBF's skill level will be his undoing.

    In conclusion, I see this fight as a wide UD win for PBF or a late round TKO for PBF. It should be a good fight one in which Ortiz will press and come to fight but ultimately be outclassed by a master boxer and taught a lesson in the sweet science.:deal
     
  2. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    I bet Ortiz knocks floyd down, floyd gets back up and wins every round.
     
  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Ortiz will not find the target in this fight. Even Berto who is a slugger at heart was getting the best of Ortiz in the rare moments he chose to box. Campbell who was very much past his prime was able to use a little bit of slickness and make Ortiz look totally lost even though Ortiz was winning rounds cause Nate wasn't throwing anything. Peterson outboxed Ortiz and made him look tentative.

    Yes Ortiz has power but Floyd is the hardest target to hit in the game.

    Also, Ortiz is not the toughest guy in the world and when he starts feeling lost he loses all the momentum. His mental strength is not that high. He quit against Maidana but also he mentally flopped against Campbell and Peterson.

    Floyd will destroy this kid. He is not a championship caliber fighter even though he won the belt against Berto. For my money Berto who unfortunately has not learned much (I thought hw would) since he became a champ would still beat Ortiz in a rematch.

    I don't give Ortiz much of a shot and think Floyd will KO him in the late round.
     
  4. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Peterson lost that fight hands down. Floyds fight is going to be very close. I hope Ortiz gets some knockdowns and wins it.
     
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  6. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Nice Analysis Pimp!

    How do you feel about both fighters footwork?

    Do you think Floyd will control the tempo of the fight?
     
  7. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really good analysis by Pimp C.

    Only thing is Victor would be worse off with a jab vs Floyd. He can't outbox Floyd. He has to use his youth and power to constantly put the pressure on Floyd. Much like ODLH who was a converted orthodox fighter he had a great left hook, Ortiz is the same with his right hook. That right hand will give Floyd a lot of trouble. It comes down to Floyd's jab vs Victor's right hook.
    It could take Floyd longer than usual to shutdown Victor because he fights w/o a jab. Floyd is used to standard.

    At WW Zab stunned him with a lead right hook and Shane with a jab to the body, right upstairs. Victor can throw the hook to the body and left to the head combination.
    One major problem is Floyd is obviously older than both those fights and Ortiz is bigger and stronger and more conditioned to go a full 12 rounds w/power than Shane and Zab.
    Will Ortiz be the biggest, strongest most determined to win Floyd has faced ?
     
  8. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Honestly you dont want to get knocked down by Ortiz if your Mayweather, the kid is a natural banger I beleive if we see a knock down in this fight it will be the end of Mayweather mentally his EGO is so ****in big that when the lights start to come back when he beats the count, he gets finished Floyds self beleif would have been entirely sapped if that happens and he will start to doubt himself



    If Floyd hits the canvas not only will he be hurt badly but he will get finished off if he does beat the count notice in the Berto fight everytime Berto tried to tie Victor up Victor found ways to break that clinch and keep punching nothing will change



    I see a entertaining fight the first two three rounds but then a slow pot shot session to the finish line by Mayweather late stoppage or UD But dont think Mayweather is going to fight like he did with Marquez or Mosley he may eary but will learn quickly not the greatest idea
     
  9. Bogotazo

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    I think Floyd is too arrogant to lose if he gets put down. It will upset him, but that will just make him breathe even more fire.


    Ortiz can catch him with a wild shot early, and hurt him, and win a round or two, but that's it. Floyd is going to do with he did to Judah, Corely, and old man Mosley, and Ortiz will be right there for the taking with his leaky guard. It will be a good fight, and I'd like to see if Ortiz can give as good an effort as Hatton did.
     
  10. bballchump11

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    Good analysis Pimp. Body shots will be a big factor in this fight imo
     
  11. crosseyed

    crosseyed Active Member Full Member

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    You can analyze the matchups and footwork and punches, but the truth is this fight really comes down to quality.

    Ortiz is a good fighter, the type of guy capable of winning a belt and defending it a couple of times, but not a really quality champion. If I had to compare him to a previous Floyd opponent I'd say he's about the level of Jesus Chavez; good fighter, not special

    Mayweather is a great, great fighter. Ortiz might give him a couple problems, land a couple of punches, and get the HBO team to claim he's making Floyd "fight his fight", for stretches, but the truth is Floyd will be landing three or four to Ortiz' one.

    He's just a complete level and a half above Ortiz.
     
  12. Ring Master

    Ring Master The Originator Full Member

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    Hey Pimp, Ortiz throws a football, shoots a B-Ball and writes with his left hand. Why do you say he is a converted south paw?
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Thanks!

    Ortiz has pretty good footwork actually not bad at all and might even have the footspeed advantage in this fight. We all know PBF has some of the best footwork in the sport he's a master at dictating distance with it and being in a great postion for the counter. I think early Ortiz will control the tempo but after PBF settles in around round 3 or 4 he will dictate the rest of the way.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Fair point but I must disagree:good. Oscar troubled PBF early because of his ability to jab and he was applying educated pressure early with it until PBF ajusted and took it away. I've always said this, you won't beat an elite defensive counter-puncher like PBF without a jab. You must have one to keep him honest and disrupt his rhythm. Victor IMO must use a jab even a pawing one is better than none at all. It can get PBF to bite then he can strike.
     
  15. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    I disagree with you, Now here me out I have a few more than 7 Amateur fights here.

    Ortizs footwork decent but horrible in alot of spots he lunges in and takes that back foot off the canvas or over extends it leaving him off balance and wide open

    if you watch the Berto fight when Ortiz comes forward with combonations notice that left hand he almost falls in with his his left leg ends up paralell with his right and he is squared up on the inside with Andre

    The entire night I was waiting for Andre to throw his right uppercut as Ortiz came inside but he never did and there is a huge hole there when Ortiz comes in like that.

    Floyd will exploit that, Keep in mind Floyd has been saying from the get if you make a mistake you have to pay that Right uppercut counter off the ropes is one of Mayweather best shots its his bread and butter especially when he fires that left hook behind it and I beleive Floyd is going to look for that shot and take it when its there

    However I do think Floyd would be best served not to fight Ortiz the way he fought his last two opponents big mistake if you ask me he needs to get on them toes and box not stand there and try to pick ortiz apart

    There are things that Ortiz does have that will present problems for Floyd but we are not talkin about that yet I am just sharing with you what I see and what I think Mayweather refered to when he told Ortiz if you make a mistake youll have to pay