My definitive and up-to-date p4p list as of 12/7/11: (criteria: recent results + impressiveness of recent performances + my assessment of all-round ability at this point in time + consideration of career up to this point) 1.Manny Pacquiao Why?: Has barely lost a round in his last 7 fights. Small enough to still make lww with ease, yet has decimated everyone he's fought in and around his current weight range. 2.Floyd Mayweather Jr Why?: Hasn't been fighting much, but when he does he shows no signs of letting his great abilities slip. 3.Sergio Martinez Why?: By my cards, he's on the hottest run in the sport, beating Cintron, Williams twice, Pavlik and Dzinziruk in his last five to come from nowhere to #3. Sadly, has a pathetic next fight lined up. 4.Wladimir Klitschko Why?: A very dominant and now long-reigning champion, hasn't lost in 7 years and was recently commanding if not spectacular in high-profile fight with Haye. Resume isn't stellar but this is due to weak division. Is beating the best they have. 5.Nonito Donaire Why?: Brilliant and getting better. Had to wait a long time between his win over Darchinyan ('07) and his next win over a p4p-class fighter in Montiel ('11), but big fights should become available at bantam to allow him to challenge the Pacquiao-Mayweather #1 and #2 axis. 6.Juan Manuel Marquez Why?: Since dropping disputed decision to p4p#1 Pacquiao in '08, Marquez has only lost one fight, against the much bigger Mayweather. Has established himself as the number 1 lightweight in the time since, with dominant victories over Casamayor, Diaz (twice) and Katsidis. 7.Timothy Bradley Why?: Impressive win over Devon Alexander, added to wins over top lww's Lamont Peterson (who drew with Victor Ortiz), Junior Witter and Kendall Holt have seen Bradley climb as others have fallen. Undefeated = consistent. 8.Andre Ward Why?: Undefeated, consistent, favourite to win the Super Six, looks very rounded and commanding. Hasn't had stellar opposition so far in his career, but looked excellent dominating Kessler (who went on to defeat Froch), and has beaten top 10 guys like Bika and Abraham with ease. 9.Giovani Segura Why?: Two superb KO wins over p4p-placed Ivan Calderon are principal reason, as his weight class does not contain many other stars. Avenged his only defeat by KO in '09 and has since made a string of solid title defences. 10.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Why?: His consistency places him above many guys who have better names on their resumes. Wonjongkam has a brilliant 81-3-1 record, and has only lost once since 1996. Stand-out win over undefeated Koki Kameda in 2010, has made 2 successful title defences since. Best of the rest (NOT in order): Amir Khan Why didn't he make the cut?: Comes very close, but 2 of his last 4 fights have been Salita and McCloskey, and many feel he made very hard work of Maidana. The Judah fight should tell us more. Miguel Cotto Why didn't he make the cut?: Last 3 fights have been stoppage defeat by Pacquiao, and wins over the less than stellar Yuri Foreman and Ricardo Mayorga. Not on the p4p level at the moment. Carl Froch Why didn't he make the cut?: By my cards, he's 2-2 in his last 4. As good as he looked vs Abraham and Johnson, this isn't quite p4p form. Vitali Klitschko Why didn't he make the cut?: Recent opposition has been too weak. Bernard Hopkins Why didn't he make the cut?: Also came very close, but wins over Ornelas and Jones were meaningless, and performances against one opponent (Pascal) not enough to get back in there yet. A win over Dawson would make a difference, would be good to see B-Hop make a successful title defence. Tomasz Adamek Why didn't he make the cut?: Recent opposition has been too weak. Lucian Bute Why didn't he make the cut?: Recent opposition has been too weak. Yuriorkis Gamboa Why didn't he make the cut?: Comes close, but needs a win over a big name, proven fighter first, or at least more wins against top fighters. Chris John Why didn't he make the cut?: Comes close, but needs to be busier and like Gamboa try for a big name, proven opponent soon. Joseph Agbeko Why didn't he make the cut?: Has wins over Darchinyan and Perez and a loss to Perez in his last 3. A win over Mares would make him a serious contender for the top 10. All comments about this list welcome :bbb
1. His win over Devon wasn't impressive. Also, Kotelnik beat him before Bradley and Mathysse afterwards, both more convincingly IMO. 2. Lamont Peterson was clearly beaten by Victor Ortiz. 3. Doesn't want to fight the No.2 in his division after calling him out :yep 4. Undefeated: Yes but he has his fair share of suspicious wins. For example, many felt he was beaten by journeyman Jaime Rangel in 2007.
I will admit, Bradley's reluctance to fight Khan is strange to me as well, but I have been impressed by him against Peterson (only saw this fight recently) and Alexander, and the fact that he is undefeated and so has that consistency means he ranks higher than guys who have had recent losses. Who would you have in your top 10 instead of him?
FYI, to anyone else who replies, merely criticizing a p4p list is not very conducive to two-way boxing discussion, if you disagree with one/some of my choices, then produce your own list so we can compare and debate. :good
Gamboa and Froch make my list, whereas Wlad and Wonjongkam don't. Wlad is very good at what he does and he's fought the best competition available but, for the most part, I don't rate the current Heavyweights too highly. Also, a whole lot of fighters from the lower weight classes would look just as dominant if they were fighting guys 20lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter.
JMM should be top4, based on activity, longetivity and plain skill. He's been cleaning up left right and center with the sole exception of a wide UD loss to Mayweather. Clearly he's above Nonito Donaire.
I think Donaire is probably the most naturally talented outside the top two, but I have no problem with your list. After all, we cant have 2 filipinos in the top 3, the pinoys would go mad.
My top 10 would be; 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Juan Manuel Marquez 5. Nonito Donaire 6. Andre Ward 7. Yuriorkis Gamboa 8. Bernard Hopkins 9. Carl Froch 10. Tim Bradley
I wouldn't take him out necessarily but, along with Segura and Pongsaklek, he is the best candidate to be replaced by a number of boxers: Hopkins, Vitali, Cotto (after a win or two), Khan (after a win against Judah) etc. And why does Pongsaklek get a free pass for fighting weak competition and gets praised for a nice looking record?
Floyd at 2nd is bollox and Wlad at 4th? Floyd has been inactive for more than a year now. Wlad based on p4p isnt better than JMM. JMM should be moved up he is surely top 3 atm
1. Manny Pacquaio 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Nonito Donaire 5. Juan Manuel Marquez 6. Andre Ward 7. Wladimir Klitschko 8. Bernard Hopkins 9. Timothy Bradley 10. Vitali Klitschko
1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Nonito Donaire 5. Wladimir Klitschko 6. Juan Manuel Marquez 7. Vitali Klitschko 8. Andre Ward 9. Timothy Bradley 10. Miguel Cotto 11. Bernard Hopkins 12. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 13. Giovani Segura 14. Yuriorkis Gamboa 15. Carl Froch 16. Lucian Bute 17. Jean Pascal 18. Amir Khan 19. Chris John 20. Tomasz Adamek I rate both Klits highly because of dominance. Both Segura and Gamboa need one more good win over another highly rated fighter before I'd put them into top 10.