My current Top 10 Heavyweights

Wlad
Vitali
Povetkin
Chambers
Chagaev
Haye
Arreola
Valuev
Boytsov
Thompson/Adamek/Peter/Ruiz/Gomez/Solis tie for 10th

Ofcourse this is NOT h2h

 

The problem is a "fit and motivated" Tua may no longer exist, so you're talking about a possibly fictitious fighter.

When ranking fighters, you have to go by the fighter they are, not the fighter they could be or the fighter they used to be, or the fighter you'd like them to be. And the Tua we have now is not a Top 10 fighter. He doesn't have the activity, the current resume, the motivation or the fitness to warrant that kind of ranking right now. Maybe if he *becomes* fit and motivated we can reevaluate where he's at in the Top 10. But until then, he has no place there.

 

1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev (considering he fights again).
4. Povetkin
5. Chambers
6. Haye
7. Arreola
8. Adamek
9. Valuev
10. Solis

 

how would you rate them on performances though? that is the important thing. not how we think they will do but what they have already done. and the further away in weight and time the lesser it matters in 2010.

Wlad and Vitali are definitely 1 and 2, I think Haye possibly lost to Valuev, who arguably lost some of his wins, I think Povetkin deserves higher

 

Cameron isn't a good gauge of how much Tua has left because 1) Cameron himself is an unknown quantity 2)It was a short fight, so Tua's fitness, stamina and heart weren't tested and 3)Tua has yet to fight again to see if he can put together a run or work into a rhythm. You can't be in the top 10 unless you've beaten someone in the top 10, or you've had such an unbelievable and impressive run that it's obvious that you're one of the ten best. Tua doesn't meet either criterion.

As for how he does head-to-head - that's not really how Top 10 lists work, because styles make fights. If you went entirely based on who beats who, you'd end up with a really screwy list because #4 might be too slick for #2, but #8 might be too much of a swarmer for #4 but #2 has too much power to allow #8 to be aggressive. Who is the highest ranked in that scenario when 4>2>8>4?

Rather, most people base top 10's on the current body of work, and Tua doesn't have anything recent. For all we know, he could get wiped out by everybody you put under him. One short fight against a domestic level boxer just isn't enough information to make him the #3 heavyweight in the world. It's a red herring, like Jones demolishing Lacy to make people think he's still got it.

Of course, nobody can really judge anybody's personal top 10 or tell them what criteria they can and can't use in saying who their top 10 boxers are. But I try to be mindful of the difference between making a list of my favorite fighters and the best fighters so as not to confuse the issue and add as much objectivity as possible. And in my opinion, the best way to be objective is to go by as many solid stats as possible. We just don't have that kind of information on the current version of Tua.

 

I see what you're saying. If we're going by head-to-head matchups, I guess my list would look something like this:

1. Vitali
2. Haye
3. Wlad
4. Tua
5. Peter
6. Haye
7. Adamek
8. Solis
9. Arreola
10. Adamek

 

You have both Adamek and Haye twice:huh

 

You said H2H hence why you have Tua so high. That's why Boytsov certainly deserves to be in there imo. Also Boytsov is as, if not more, proven and has looked just as impressive as Solis in my eyes.

If you really think Haye is more proven than Povetkin at HW then i don't know wtf to say to you.

 

Yes. Haye is the #2 heavyweight because he beats Wlad by exposing his weak chin with his speedy power that will get through Wlad's guard. However, Haye would have to be ranked below Peter, whose chin is too strong to falter before he nails Haye with his brute power. So that should put Peter as my #1 heavyweight, but we know that's not true because my #1 and #3 heavyweights already beat him. So that makes Haye #2, Wlad #3, Peter #5 and Haye #6.

Ditto with Adamek.

 

1. Golota lost becouse injury left hand

2. Povetkin like Adamek had problems against Estrada but Adamek vs Estrada fight was more interesting, more action and combination by Adamek.

3. Solis beated Haye in amatours and Barrett faster than Haye . He is bigger,stronger better chin than Haye. Maybe he should lose weight some weight but he is still fast and looks better than Arreola who is fat like hell . Solis should beat Haye by KO becouse Haye is too soft for me in Hw. Hw is for tough guys who can take punch. Still Haye didint beat a good boxer and prove that he is world champion . He beat Valuev who is one of the worst Hw chamion in history

4. Valuev is a german champ . He is clown with 7 feet and hairs everywhere not boxer. Sauerland cheat many times against Holyfield, Donald only to keep belt. He can only throw jab and straight right thats all.

5.Ruiz should lost against Golota. 2 nockdauns , 1 point detucted and Golota land 30 punches more. His style is pathetic

 

1 Wlad- he pummels anyone else in the division including his brother.
2 Vitali- I really feel he's starting to slip but is still a good heavyweight I see him retiring this year.
3 Povetkin- Good fighter but he's catching Wlad a bit too early
4 Chambers- Good fighter with a good resume, I think he'd beat Povetkin in a rematch if it ever happened.
5 Chagaev- If he keeps fighting and hasn't lost too much he's solid.
6 Haye- Resume is thin but a lot of talent puts him high.
7 Arreola- If he gets his weight under control I think he could be right under the Klitschko's.
8 Peter- He's active and got his weight under control, I can see him making some noise again if he keeps it together.
9 Thompson- Nothing spetacular here but he's steady and being a tall southpaw helps. Has put together some decent wins.
10 Gomez- I always felt he underachieved at heavyweight but if he has something left he's a tough match up for most.

 

what a sorry list.

and where have the good american heavyweights gone?