My favorite Tyson KO.

Yep, funnily enough the Williams knockout was from a Tyson who apparently was a shadow of his former self....

 

No combination punching, just head hunting

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Yep it was so foolish of Mike for knocking Williams out in the second round....

 

He knocked him out in the first.

He was not a shadow of his former self but he had abandoned a lot of his best tools. However no one claims that he was unable of slipping a jab and throwing a left hook at that point, he could still do that all the way to Golota.
The main reason Williams got KO'd was he dropped his right hand, inviting the left hook to the jaw and the man went down easily anyway. Do you think mike was at his best vs Etienne? One punch KO in the first round against a top 10-20 HW who went down easy.
A lot of fighters could have slipped that jab and thrown a left hook.
The reason Williams went down hard enough for the ref to stop it wa that mike hit him so hard he had trouble getting up and No one said mike had lost any speed or power at that point. I see 2000 Mike doing the same thing to williams even if he needs a couple more tries because he had slowed down.
This fight is in no way proof of Mike still being at his best LOL. I dont take the spinks fight as proof of his peak either because the fight showed nothing, Except handspeed, power and aggression. ANY version of Tyson except McBride would have KO'd spinks in 1 if he used the same approach to just rush him and throw as hard as he could.

 

And TBH as a supposed tyson fan you should know better than to just cite "Tyson KO 1 Carl Williams" as proof of Tyson being just as good as he was under rooney, just to imply that he was at his best vs Douglas. I dont quite comprehend how someone who seems to know a good amount about boxing, seems to be reasonably intelligent, and claims to be a fan of tyson, can choose to ignore obvious negative changes in the way tyson fought against bruno, williams and douglas vs Thomas, Biggs and Holmes for example and claim that thats the same fighter.

 

You got me. First error I've made on a Tyson fight, wanna test of knowledge....

I'll flip it, where's the evidence Tyson wasn't at his best against Williams?

 

First of all look at the fight before the williams fight(bruno) and the one after(douglas)
The fight against williams was quite short and like i said the opponent was easy for almost any version of mike to dispose of.
But i'll do you the favor although I know that you're playing dumb and that you already know all of this.
At the very beginning He loads up the jab as if he was trying to use it as a power shot when he should be doubling it up and throwing it in rapid succession to get him on the inside instead of loading up. He barely moves his head the first 10 seconds and then stops moving it after the first clinch. Then he swings wildly a few times and stops jabbing completely and just walks in to a clinch! To his credit he does throw a few punches to the body in the clinch.
There is no rythm, he tries to slip the jabs but he's not preemptively moving his head like he used to. He's fighting like he's very angry and has no gameplan except knocking the guy's head off. Then he eats a jab, slips the second one and throws a left hookand down goes williams. He's fighting as if its the last round of a fight he's losing and he needs to get the knockout right now to win the fight, when he should be setting up the win with body punches, combinations, jabs etc..
He was much more measured and calculating vs biggs and tubbs for example

 

You're just splitting hairs pal I think. He knocked Williams out in short order and looked impressive doing so. You say the Bruno fight was evidence of his decline yet I disagree. Bruno was a formidable opponent for Mike and fought a dogged fight. Tyson didn't exactly look dynamite against Smith and that fight was in his pomp. I remember Leonard saying the Bruno fight was Tyson's most impressive performance upto that point.

 

Well you wanted me to take a 93 second fight as proof of course I had to split hairs haha.
Smith didnt come to fight. It takes two to tango. Although they did pull off a 12 round dance lol.
I dont remember leonard saying that. I do remember leonard pointing out Mike's lack of bodywork. If you dont see the things Mike did against Biggs and Thomas and DID NOT do against Bruno then I dont know what to say.

 

I've got all his fights on DVD and I know for a fact he said that about the Bruno performance. Have you ever thought Bruno might have prevented him doing the same things he did against the likes of Biggs, he was an exceptionally strong man who packed a massive punch. Don't you believe all that clinching and the punch that rocked Tyson could have had an effect on Mikes punches? You say he didn't go to the body? I'm sure Tyson went to the body in that final combination that finished Bruno.....

 

You obviously have not been on the forum too long

He'll argue until the cows come home that Tyson was 100 percent prime against Douglas. So, you know he'll do the same for Williams.

I agree with you, and many others have pointed out to him, that this fight (Williams) was way too short to bring out the deficiencies that were glaring in the Bruno and Douglas fights.

Anyway, it's clear to me and many who closely followed the sport during Tyson's emergence and meteoric rise to the undisputed heavyweight title, that his wild, tabloid fodder personal life (including car crashes, altercations, and his manipulation at the hands of gold digging and controlling Robin Givens and her mom)and the departure of Rooney, as well as the transfer of complete control of his boxing career to Don King began to affect his performances at least by anything post Spinks.

It was a gradual process. First, he married Givens and her and her mom tried to control his $$.

Then, he dumped Cayton/Jacobs in favor of King.

Then, he dumped Rooney in favor of Snowell. Snowell was a decent trainer, who did well with Witherspoon earlier and Frankie Randall later, but Rooney was the right guy for Tyson.

He became surrounded by "yes" men and abandoned the team that got him to the top.

He also lost the discipline and training regimen that they instilled in him.

All this was apparent to Sylvester Stallone, who obviously used these events in his script for Rocky V. It's all there in Tommy Morrison's character.

 

Yeah im kind of speechless that he doesn't seem to see whats so obvious for me but thats ok Its not my job to convince anyone of anything

 

I dunno. I watched the Tyson-Tucker fight (one of his best performances, imo) the other day, and Tyson looked kinda sloppy and too easy to hit in the first few rounds, relative to his peak ability. And those were his most energetic rounds.
Was probably still more sloppy later against Bruno (I'll have to re-watch to compare the two fights), but it is worth noting that he was kind of inconsistent in some aspects of technique - even in his absolute prime !

Then again, I'm branded a "Tyson hater" around this forum too, so bear that in mind.

 

All fighters are human after all.

 

Ok smart ass name me heavyweight champs who were 100% in their prime when they were defeated......

Here we go again with the boring story of his downfall. Anyone would think Tyson is the only fighter in history to suffer from troubles outside the ring, poor Mikey...