My latest ATG Heavyweight top 20

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  1. RoosterC

    RoosterC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. Joe Louis
    2. George Foreman
    3. Muhammad Ali
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Rocky Marciano
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Lennox Lewis
    8. Sonny Liston
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Walcott
     
    RoosterC, Jun 16, 2011
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  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Schmeling doesn't have the depth Walcott does....


    Charles, Johnson, Ray, Bivins, Murray, Maxim, Baksi, Hoff, Sheppard, Gomez, Reddish, Agramonte

    over


    Sharkey, Walker, Stribling, Uzcuden, Risko, Hamas, Neusal, Heuser
     
    SuzieQ49, Jun 16, 2011
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And Schmeling has the best win of the two, and arguably the best win in the history of the HW division. That's why I often feel Schmeling should be the higher of the two.

    But it's close, and I think either one over the other is fine.

    Neither is anywhere near the top ten.
     
    McGrain, Jun 16, 2011
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  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Only if your cut and dry with your rankings based on actual victories. You can't award fantasy wins, but if a fighter wins for the majority of the public than it counts for an awful lot. Never understood why performances in losses was such an undervalued factor to evaluating a fighters record, hence my ranking of Liston. I won't digress...
     
    PetethePrince, Jun 16, 2011
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Louis
    2. Ali

    3. Holmes
    4. Marciano
    5. Foreman

    6. Frazier
    7. Holyfield
    8. Tyson

    9. Lewis
    10. Johnson
    11. Liston

    12. Dempsey
    13. Jeffries

    14. Schmeling
    15. Wlad

    16. Patterson
    17. Walcott
    18. Charles

    19. Wills
    20. Bowe
    21. Vitali
     
    PhillyPhan69, Jun 16, 2011
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Everyone has different critera for list. I just don't see how Walcott could be #5. He lost many times to guys not named Marciano, Louis, or Charles. Can you tell us why you feel Walcott deserves such a lofty placing?
     
    Mendoza, Jun 16, 2011
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  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought he had a weak era and a lot of his defenses were with guys that had 10 fights, 13 fights 14 fights and won disputed decisions over 2 guys with 15 fights. Holmes never rematched a tough fight, Norton,Weaver,Witherspoon,Williams and avoided a unification and gave up a title not to fight Page.

    Holmes was also navigated very well. He fought a 10-2-2 Leon Spinks after Spinks was KO'd in 1 rd by Gerrie Coetzee and fought Renaldo Snipes who was dropped 2 times by Coetzee but got the robbery and Holmes gave him the shot and was Dropped badly by Snipes.

    Holmes best Victory was over Gerry Cooney and Shavers.

    Holmes also had co-champ like Dokes, Thomas, Coetzee,Weaver,Tate and Larry did not attempt to unify. Intimately he lost to Light heavyweight Michael Spinks in Mikes 1st fight as a heavyweight.

    I think Holmes was very good but can not place him near Louis,Ali and Marciano who did all the things Holmes did not.
     
    Bummy Davis, Jun 16, 2011
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  8. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Charles was an excellent fighter at heavyweight and he could beat many on a given night, however I think JJW had the style to upset many on a good night. I like him to trouble Ali, he did trouble Marciano and Louis and he beat some excellent fighters in his day. I like JJW chances against Foreman,Tyson Ali, he was a master stylist who could KO a man with either hand and as cute as they come. He is the spoiler of the division and had all the tools
     
    Bummy Davis, Jun 16, 2011
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  9. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Walcott had a rough start and we all know the story's, underfeed, worked a job, then the gym and most nights went without a meal. I think he beat Louis in fight 1 and gave Marciano hell for almost 13 rds. I like JJW to be a tough foe vs Foreman,Tyson,Ali,Dempsey,etc.
     
    Bummy Davis, Jun 16, 2011
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  10. Mendoza

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    Even after his rough start Walcott was 0-4 in his first title shots. Walcott had attributes that gave a slow footed and easy to his Louis trouble, and a less skilled Marciano trouble, but I still can't see him as a top 10 guy, even if I think he deserved the nod in the first Louis fight.
     
    Mendoza, Jun 16, 2011
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  11. Muchmoore

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    Jersey Joe in the top 5 that's a new one :good

    He was a bad ass mother thats for sure. Bit under rated sometimes methinks
     
    Muchmoore, Jun 16, 2011
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  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's good to see different agenda's and idea's of each posters list, however, I do have a problem when nobody wants to rank brothers Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko in the top-20......... Again, H-2-H or Resume, either way you slice the pizza, the brothers can fight and are lethal, and are great..... Time will tell......... They are future IBHOF fighters...... WORD!

    MR.BILL:bbb:deal:hat:think
     
    MRBILL, Jun 16, 2011
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  13. lufcrazy

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    I don't rank relevant fighters cos they aren't finished yet.

    If both brothers retired today i'd have wlad top 15 and vitali top 25
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 17, 2011
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  14. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough........ BUT! Finished or not, both brothers can kick way more ass from the ATG list dating back to 1887 than the 15-25 ranking you have mentioned... IMO!

    In my book... Older bro V.K. is superior and tougher than younger bro Wlad Klit who's skills are superb, yet his chin is shaky....

    Cheers.....:good

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    MRBILL, Jun 17, 2011
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  15. goat15

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    phillyphan's groupings are pretty much spot on.
     
    goat15, Jun 17, 2011
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