My lb4lb all-time top-10 list

Wow. Ray Robinson at #5, and no Ezzard Charles. I don't think Duran over Robinson is reasonable. And Gans at #1.

Well, it's different. And different is interesting, at least.

 

Why do u have Gans at 1

 

There's very little footage of Robinson in his welterweight days. The footage we do have suggests an entirely different picture to me. Robinson creates space and punches huge. I don't think Duran, extremely great as he was, could have dictated where the fight would take place against Robinson. It is very much the question if he could force the fight to inside.

But heck, what do I know. Predicting what happens when two such ring geniuses come together is a fool's errand, but one I like to indulge in.

 

Nevermind Gans or Robinson, the hell is Hagler doing on there, and right above Greb of all people?

 

Good point, there is no way in particular Duran, would of been able to 'carry' the Dane for that long, without people getting suspicious!

 

Why do you have Robinson ahead of Hagler? If Marvin would destroy him.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson beat all those guys.

He played with Armstrong. Beat LaMotta 5 out of 6. Beat Zivic twice including knocking him out. Beat Angott. Basora? Eh..one tough night and destroyed him in the rematch.

Gavilian was a great fighter and not sure Duran at his best could handle the Kid.

 

I don't think any Welterweight 'handles' Gavilan.

 

Greatly troubled by crowders? Of the examples you listed Robinson lost ONE fight against all of those names, all of whom are HOFers.

Ive never heard of Robinson being troubled by either Zivic or Armstrong, both of whom he dominated. He owned Angott in their first fight and dropped him in the second and third, winning both.

He lost one fight in his first 11 years and 100+ fights as a pro against all different types and sizes of fighters. Its pretty hard to make the argument he was GREATLY troubled by crowders.

Robinson would have been annihilated by Hagler or Barkley (BARKLEY???). Who ever beat Robinson by annihilation? Nobody.

Bizarre list. Hagler at ten? Honestly? You cant think of 10 fighters in history that are P4P better than Hagler? What did Hagler ever do to prove his P4P status? He feasted on smaller guys coming up and often looked vulnerable in those fights (Duran, Mugabi, Leonard). Besides the smaller fighters his division was at one of the weakest points in its history. He could have easily moved up and really shown what he was made of against Spinks but strangely for Hagler nobody ever considers him even competetive with Spinks despite a ton of other middleweights moving up to light heavy with success. Talk about getting annhilated and Spinks-Hagler immediately jumps to mind.