My New Top 10 P4P Defining Great fighter list

He had almost 200 fights and was the purest of swarmers

 

Suck my **** and thanks

 

Because it doesnt quite match up with Robinson's or Ali's, altogether. His top 4 are sickening and give him a very high ranking on them alone, but after that, Robinson has atleast 20 opponents who are superior to the rest of Leonard's. And Ali literally fought the who's who of the entire history of the Heavyweight division

 

You forgot to include their respective dick measurements

 

So then just pure numbers and no accounting for success at the top level(Ali, Louis or Robinson rating a 10 here)?

 

Longevity means lasting longer than you are expected to. A pure swarmer going through 200 fights is A great definition of longevity. No, it isn't just pure numbers. But 200 is a very, very big number in this context.

 

Pachilles, is there any chance of you doing a rating of Bob Fitzsimmons under your system, for me? I think he might surprise you.

 

I dont know jack all about Fitzsimmons or his opponents. I've learned a ton about Greb and his era on this forum alone and quite abit about Langford, but Fitzsimmons rarely pops up in comparison to those two. I should really have cut it off at post 1930 becuase my opinion on guys before that is only really based on what guys like you and Janitor have to say

 

Hard work and dedication! Just for that effort, I, Softhands69 won't call you Poochiles -at least not until you call me Softhands again. Seriously, I like the categories and your list is interesting. Especially considering that you have Duran at precisely the spot I have him in except that I discounted fighters who reached their prime before 1920. You have Duran at #6 -right behind Langford. I had him at #5. That got a chuckle outta me.

Questions/comments ....

"Indominitable spirit" and "toughness" seem to have overlap. You define them both as mental toughness more or less. You may want to think about having one more mental and the other more demonstrable.

Same with "Stylistic range" and "adaptability." I think you mean that Range is over time, while adaptability is more switching tactics mid-fight as needed...?

"Creativity" --that is an interesting one that I at least haven't seen before. Rewarding athletes because their athleticism was great enough to see them defeat master mechanics. That's interesting.

 

Greb had almost 300 fights and is the undisputed Godfather of pure swarmers. But he gets an 8 to Armstrong's 10...?

 

Would you really classify Greb as a pure swarmer though? I envision him as being more mobile laterally and working at a distance more, and less effective at breaking a man down inside the distance through attrition than the archetype of my namesake. He fits the bill on volume and pressure though, as well as infighting skill. I'd pin that godfather label to Bat Nelson, Terry McGovern, or Ad Wolgast instead.

In Jim Driscoll's Straight Left and How to Cultivate it he attributes the creation of the hooking come forward aggressive brawler to this fella and his popularity:
http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/craig-f.htm

A little trivia bull****, i guess

 

Read around. I know you like the physical freaks and nonsensical natural talents, and Fitzsimmons certainly was that.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17966&more=1

 

How does SRR and Pep have a 3/3 on the size disadvantage but Holyfield has only a 1/3?