My New Top 10 P4p List !

I will take your criteria to mean that a fighter is eligible if a number of his key fights are available on film.

By that criteria Henry Armstrong would be eligible, as others have said.

Mickey Walker should also meet the film requirments for a place.

Other fighters who would deserve consideration include Benny Leonard, Barney Ross, Tommy Burns, Ezzard Charles, Arcie Moore, and Eder Joffre.

 

Thanks for pointing this out. I am sick of people bitching about list choices of others.

 

Thats what everyone is meant to do when making an ATG list. I do fully understand that some fighters, who are certs with others on here, have been left out of your top 10. It's not unfair that you have left them off your list. Lack of footage on certain fighters convinces you that a placement isn't warranted. So if you listed a certain fighter who you haven't seen, then the placing wouldn't be as concrete as the fighters you have seen. Reading respected opinions from 80-90 years ago is all to do with trust on their reports from ringside.

I haven't seen Ali-Norton III. So if someone asked me "who do you think won the fight?" I'd have to reply "I heard that Norton was the winner, but haven't see the fight for myself" I do believe that it was close and Norton probably deserved the decision. But obviously my opinion carries only the weight of other peoples opinions. My opinion would be solid if I viewed the fight for myself.

 

Seen a bit of footage of Greb have you?

 

I have a full version of Greb Walker but I wont post it on youtube because it might reduce its value.

 

Haven't done a list for ages, because I haven't been on ESB for ages.

If we're going on accomplishments and reports etc, something like:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Willie Pep
5. Roberto Duran
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Archie Moore
9. Benny Leonard
10. Sam Langford

But if we use your criteria for available footage, and more for who I think was the best rather than who accomplished the most:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Willie Pep
3. Roberto Duran
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Salvador Sanchez
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Joe Louis
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard

It seems to be unpopular these days to rate Leonard high, but at his best he was just fantastic. Jones was pretty unproven compared to the others on the list, but his ability was always on display, he was something special. Sanchez is a strange one, because he seemed to fight to the level of his opponent. At his best, he is well deserving of this high ranking. I'm tempted to put Ali even higher, because I feel like at his best, nobody could touch him. But I can't bring myself to drop Duran, Pep or Robinson.

 

I'd have figured you were a HUGE Floyd fan for having him in the top 10.

 

Not doubting Grebs standing but if the only footage of Buster Douglas available was his fight against Tyson then im sure that he would be described superlatively. The thread starter justified his list by including the statement that it was based on fighters he had seen 'sufficient' footage off, yet posters are critical of him leaving Greb off. Its a fair call in my book

 

surely you jest?

 

Still dont see why you guys rank Armstrong on film base.

I mean 7 fights, most are cyrstal clear, The Ambers and Ross fights are perhaps in the best shape, the Garcia fights also are in amazing shape. There in better shape than MOST 1950's fights I seen.

 

There is a lot of footage of Duran and Ali. So the footage enhances the placing of them both with anyone, no matter where they are placed. As well as longevity, statistics, accomplishments, and reports and opinions on them both.

However, someone like Greb being placed within the top 10 doesn't have much credibility about it. Sounds stupid, considering his resume and all the litrature that can be accounted for. No question about it that someone like Greb getting placed, say within the top 5, is being given 'the benefit of the doubt'.

It's not an even playing field.

Lets say someone hasn't watched boxing ever in their life. The person only reads others opinions, goes to the library to obtain books, reads countless online articles, and gives his top 20 of all-time. At least he's on an even playing field. Although he might have read more about certain fighters than others.