Thanks man. I've been boxing on and off for about 3 years, I take what I learned in the gym and pay close attention to what goes on in fights and learn the fundamentals that great trainers and fighters emphasize. Few do it better than JMM when it comes to southpaws. I fully agree with your analysis on how he neutralized that left hook. Donaire's right hand was totally MIA.
First of all I agree that donaires flaws were his undoing ,and Rigo just exploited that. But to say Donaire had few moments of success - I mean how many moments of success did Rigo have? Neither guy was doing much, and I can remember at least a handful of rounds that I gave Nonito for landing the majority of punches / most effective punches. For example in Round 1 he landed a hard counter hook on Rigo's temple. I also remember him landing some straight right hands to the body, and catching Rigo with the hook every now and then. It wasn't like Nonito was the only one hesitant to throw. Rigo couldnt let his hands go either - for the same reason that he was worried about getting countered. And much of the quick counters that Rigo actually threw got blocked off by Nonito - something I was actually impressed with. Nonito was caught with as many straight lefts as Rigo got caught with left hooks - not a lot. I'm not saying Nonito won, but this whole idea that he was totally outboxed and outclassed doesnt ring true based on what I saw. Rigo fought a smart fight by making Nonito lead - something Nonito just isnt good at doing - keeping him off balance, and basically lulling him to sleep, but he did little in return. He did enough to win , but he barely did more then nonito . How do you completely school somebody if you don't throw punches.
Every second where Donaire was just standing there like an idiot was a moment of success for Rigo. Rigo kept moving, feinting, and just had Donaire standing there overthinking things. Donaire taunts in his fights all the time, he didn't even try that against Rigo...why? Because he would've got popped in the grill the second he dropped his hands to do his RJJ impression. Rigo showed he is in a different league than Donaire.
That's fine you can feint and move but that doesn't score points in boxing, you have to land punches. Your basically giving Rigo credit for making Donaire look bad and ineffective at times, but your not considering actual landed punches which is the bottom line.
Rigo threw more, landed more, controlled the ring, landed the better shots and was slick as they come in there. End of story. Donaire didn't come anywhere close to winning that fight in any way, shape or form.
This content is protected Give the man (Rigo, not Donaire) props. Donaire got outboxed in every sense of the word and failed to adapt in any way.
It's so funny how little og boxing you really know about anything. From fight to fight, to Mayweather, or Pac vs Marquez and now Rigo vs Donaire
Now we're using compubox as reference atsch Seriously how many actual CLEAN shots do you remember Rigo landing ?
Stfu troll ,, thats all you can do is attack me bc you dont know **** yourself . Did you hear me say Nonito won? I said Rigo won the fight, I'm not disputing that. - I just didnt see this masterful schooling that some of you saw. Why dont you try to dispute one thing I said.
I think if you ask anybody on this forum and they wanted to pick the guy that knew more about boxing, they'd pick me over you 10 times out of 10 :rofl and Rigondeaux did dominate Donaire. He forced Donaire to fight HIS FIGHT. All you worry about is being exciting or evaluate a fighter's success based off if they scored points or not. Sometimes it's not about the punch you landed that goes to your success, but how you set up your punches or neutralize your opponent's. Rigondeaux had great success neutralizing Donaire's offense with his movement, distancing, counter punching and patience. You'll say "oh well Rigondeaux wasn't scoring punches when he made Donaire miss or reluctant to throw:nut" and that's why you have a basic knowledge of boxing. "oh Donaire wasn't scoring when he was feinting" yeah well that feinting helped set up many of his punches and kept Donaire at bay. and if you want to talk about scoring punches, well Rigondeaux had a lot more than Donaire. I had the fight scored 116-111 and couldn't see it any closer than that.
Gander you already have a thread on this. My observations, and the observations of most posters, are that Nonito was neutralized to an unprecedented level never before seen in any fight prior. Rigo was consistently landing punches and landed much more effectively than Donaire. Your characterization of the fight as an event in which Rigo threw just a few more effective punches than Donaire is completely off. It wasn't a harsh beat-down, but it was a schooling, no question about it. He won at the very least 9 rounds and they were not competitive. That is a schooling. Nonito's faced was swelled and his body language was devoid of confidence by the 12th. He was never in control of the fight and was consistently out-landed. He was schooled. He lost lopsidedly. You don't have to throw much more than your opponent. It's obvious BBall knows boxing because he predicted the outcome and predicted the ways in which Donaire's weaknesses would be exploited by Donaire's style. Don't go starting fights in my thread just because you're the sole person on the forum who thinks the fight wasn't a schooling. If you feel strongly about it, start a poll as to whether or not the fight was a schooling, most favored Donaire to win and will readily admit he lost easily. What I'm trying to do here is break down what happened, and what happened was Donaire being outlanded round after round after round while demonstrating little capacity to adjust.
what i said is completely logical and common sense - you have to LAND punches in boxing. I thought this was common knowledge. Yes Rigo made Donaire fight his fight for the most part by forcing him to lead and follow him around, but if he isn't landing any punches then from a scoring perspective he's not doing anything, period. Who deserves the round in the following scenario: FIGHTER A who forces FIGHTER B to fight his but lands nothing. or FIGHTER B who lands the best punch of the round / does the most damage? Like I said I think Rigo did enough to win, I'm not disputing who won Im just saying this wasnt a schooling of any kind- and your card doesn't reflect that at all so wtf are we even debating about? and I could care what the less of the forum thinks - 90% of this forum is mentally challenged.