My opinion about Foreman vs Holmes

Funnily enough, I was looking through some old threads about this match-up today (it's been proposed a lot).
I trust the opinions of most of the posters here. But I do have my own views.
Having said that, after all the fights I've seen... prime for prime...
Pure.. 50/50

 

1. In '76 I think that's fair enough. Why fight Foreman unless it's a title fight?

2. No Ali was worse in various ways in '74 than prime Holmes. Ali didn't have the stamina and had started taking time off in rounds, which let his opponent in. Holmes doesn't do this anywhere near to the same degree and has a higher workrate. Holmes has longer reach, a better jab and comparable speed.

3. Maybe he did but Holmes probably hit harder than Ali who knocked Foreman out. Holmes is much more accurate and can fight inside and outside. Lyle was poor inside and very wild with his punches

4. Holmes was up at 3 and backing his opponent up. I think you're overfocusing on 1 bad moment Holmes had against an opponent with faster shorter punches that aren't as easy to slip as Foreman's slower telegraphed shots.

How about Holmes hit harder than Ali who actually knocked Foreman out? Holmes fought on against Snipes while Foreman let himself get counted out. Holmes powers of recovery and heart are good. Foreman can't say as much because he kind of gave up on the sport as a whole. Who's to say Prime Holmes can be broken down, when no one did it? Who's to say that Holmes was hurt because he underestimated Snipes? But either way, he rallied back and won the fight, while Foreman couldn't find ways to win against Ali or Young

 

I have nothing more to add, this is exactly how I see it.

 

Only they can't be. Ali is clearly above Holmes for mine. Whether it be h2h or resume, there is an evident gap between them.

 

I've always considered this to be one of the biggest fights in history that didn't happen, Holmes was a more skilled and faster boxer with a far better jab than Foreman, on the other hand Foreman was a more physically powerful fighter with a stronger punch, my opinion is that Holmes would win, probably on points...

 

Both sides has valid arguments here. I also say 50/50

 

Says Holmes doesn't have the mental and physical ability to come back against someone like Foreman. Then posts videos of Holmes doing just that. Never change. BTW George has wider slower punches than any of those opponents

Ali was past it in '74 and Holmes has 3 inches inch on '74 Ali and fought at a higher tempo and hit harder

This is the Foreman the killer finisher against Young - where's the finish though? Young circles a little but often simply stands in front of Foreman and throws straight punches. Foreman can't do anything because his shots are too wild and telegraphed.

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Where's the finish? Oh yes, it's against 2 opponents Holmes did fight

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Foreman simply wasn't very good at breaking a skilled opponent down. Also see Morrison school Foreman, then see Morrison get taken out in a round in his next fight. OK George is old but still.

Even if Foreman knocks Holmes down, Holmes is savy enough and resilient enough to overcome Foreman. But it's easier to evade Foreman's punches than any of the men that actually hurt Holmes

 

Is the child taking it's toys home?

Your posting fights that Holmes was the winner won. I'm pointing to Foreman's losses. Why couldn't Foreman break down and stop Young or Ali or Morrison? When plenty of boxers could KO Young, Foreman could not

BTW Foreman has something like a 5-4 record against top 10 oppossiton.

 

All about opinions my man

 

Holmes would make Foreman look stupid, in the 70's 80's 90's......

Old Ali sitting on the ropes because he had no legs anymore hit Foreman with ;lead right hands, a insult to any pro fighter getting nailed with lead rights....after Foreman blew his wad mainly punching air with the occasional hit he folded and fell over.

Young Foreman does not have the stamina to deal with Holmes jab, right hand and movement, also lacks Holmes Ring IQ....late Holmes KO when Foreman is no longer be able to raise his arms.

Frazier while Ringside commented how foolish Foreman fought........insert Holmes, there aint no ropes but movement and Foreman will gass even sooner whalling away while chasing.

A old guy that got outboxed, not out slugged by Tommy Chin is not going to beat old Holmes.

Young or old , Holmes has the chin and will to survive a Foreman bomb, Foreman not so, stopped by a old Ali, almost stopped by tough guy Lyle, hitting the deck against pillow fist Young while loosing.

Foreman is a lot smarter then his rose colred glasses fans, he knew old Holmes would beat him silly no matter how much money it would generate, Holmes literally begged for the fight but a man gots to know his limitations, and old Foreman knew his.

 

1974-5 Ali was still very potent. He didnt move like he once had but he still had at least as quick of feet as Holmes.
Ali's stamina? He survived Manilla. Maybe Holmes had as good a stamina but not better.

 

I would favour George but this is a very fair and persuasive argument.