My p4p list #10-1

It is good to get more versed in different divisions, and eras...I am lacking in knowledge south of bantam- and no very little about fly weight etc. my knowledge is lacking in the 30’s and prior.

Have you checked out Fleas thread on Bantams or his articles?

Link to both:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-10-greatest-bantamweights.616459/

http://www.boxingmonthly.com/all-ti...a-brief-history-of-the-bantamweight-division/

 

Hope you don’t think I am criticizing your list? It is your list and that is cool.

I would just challenge you to give equal credence to weight divisions and eras. Make a top 10 list for each division or 20 whatever.

Determine what you give weight to. I like longevity and ranked opposition because that translates to any era. But whatever criteria you choose.

If I am going to say Walcott got a bad decision and use that, then you have to give everyother boxer that same benefit of the doubt. I try to go by official decision (even though it sucks in cases where I know the details). But I do weigh it as fairly as I can.

When a guy dominates at FW LW and WW and loses at MW it is hard to count it against a guy a great deal. Or even Napoles a great LW great WW champ (I ratecabove SRL But am probably in the minority, but again I favor longevity), I don’t penalize a great deal for losing 30 lbs above his natural weight a great deal.

Same for losing post prime. I guess it factors in but I can’t give RJJ a penalty of note for losing to Calzaghe and Hops...

 

In the 1960s, yes it was. Look at the age of all other champions around that time.

There was no 122 division back then either. If Jofre was afforded the luxuries of modern fighters with day prior weigh-ins and an extra division he’d probably go 78-0. His “draws” were of the South American variety (need to win by 4 points or more on two cards). McLellan definitely benefited from day prior weigh-ins for example.

 

Who determines if a fight is a robbery? I had Floyd by a point. I had Hagler by a point over SRL and while I hate the decision I rate Leonard highly for pulling it off. There are lots of close fights. I had DLH beating Floyd, Hops beating Calzaghe... that’s why I generally go with the official decision especially in this day and age when every close fight is considered a robbery or gift decision.

Is Armstrong’s era weak or are you just not as fluent in the names. He has an awesome resume IMO and think he has a consideration for #1 p4p even though he just misses out.

 

I question whether he’d make my top 50 to be honest.

 

It would be hard to justify outside of imaginary hypothetical h2h. He was only rated for 3 years at #7 #2 and #1.

Hard to see that favorably with guys who won the championship when there was one belt and then had multiple defenses for 2-8 years+

 

Ahhh...so compubox can just determine for us who wins in this case...pass

Edit:
https://coolmaterial.com/feature/how-to-score-a-boxing-match/

 

Good stuff. Not to nitpick. Just that Robinson's win over Armstrong is more or less like Holmes beating Ali or Marciano over Louis. Ray actually carried him.