My p4p list #10-1

Yes u are

 

Your too funny man

 

Your list was cool bro! A little heavy on heavyweights for my liking but cool nonetheless.

Putting up a list is never easy because multiple people who know more than me are ready to challenge it and poke holes in it...and some will tell you how terrible and stupid it is!

Some are jokes, I thought you presented yours well and even though I disagree or would do it different I hope I didn’t over critique it...I learned a little bit during our back and forth and it lit the flame in me to revisit mine...but I am starting at flyweight since I know the least thereabouts.

Peace

 

You have McClellan over Monzon? He has two good wins against Jackson would himself wasn't great at middelweight and was a weightclass above his best. Even guys like McCalum, Nunn and Toney did more at this weight from the same generation. His resume is extremely weak in comparison to any great middleweight. Never even unified the division was just a title holder.

Punchers in general tend to be overrated. LaMotta at 2 even though he lost to Marshall and only edged a way past his prime Holman Williams who himself has a notably better resume.

In fairness any top ten etc list is never gonna be universally agreed upon fair enough for attempting it.

 

Valdes and Briscoe trump those names easily IMO

 

Mugabi was totally shot when Gerald fought him Hagler destroyed the fight out of him he was never the same. A year before he met Gerald he got ko'd in one by Norris. That win means literally nothing the guy was completely done. Also Valdez and Briscoe would destroy that Mugabi and Jackson just as quick as G man did. In fact I would favor both of them over Gerald himself.

Monzon resume is unquestionably better then McCellan's. I know your fan of his I can see that in your posts but saying his resume is better then Monzon and stating a shot mugabi is better then anyone Carlos beat is crazy.

 

For example I believe with all of my heart that the Willie the worm Monroe (my favorite) that Beat Hagler is the best MW the world has ever seen!

But resume wise he can’t sniff a ATG list. Perhaps if McClellan had not suffered trauma in his loss he could have equaled some of these accomplishments. You can love his style without rating him among the best ever. In a hypothetical matchup you can make a case for him...accomplishment wise...I am not sure he is too 30-50 MW

 

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Because IMO the first one he was prime....When they were both closest to thier zenith Monroe won...it is the only loss on Haglers record that he
Never disputed. I believe his words were that Monroe gave him a boxing lesson that night. Credit that he never gave to Watts or SRL

Edit:
Read the OP
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/hagler-monroe-i-fight-report.24121/

 

Who determines the class of opposition? If it is rankings fair enough...if it only names you recognize or value...well you would need a storehouse if knowledge across the eras, to have anything remotely fair or balanced.