My P4P.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by liljp361, Jan 12, 2008.


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  1. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Pavlik is NOT undisputed champ.
    The IBF Champ and WBA champ both dispute it. :deal

    Whether they would beat him or not in mine or your opinion is not important. they are both Champs, they both dispute the claim that Pavlik is the best. Undisputed means there are no other champs around to dispute it.

    Pavlik is the UNIFIED Champ of the WBC/WBO. And it's not like he unified the titles himself, he won them both with one victory. That's different than beating 2 champs to unify their titles.
     
    Drexl, Jan 12, 2008
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  2. Smith

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    I don't really agree wit some factors of your list, but of course, P4P lists different for everyone, for good measure heres mines at present, i'm expecting some vast changes this year when we get to see the true ability of some guys.

    01 Floyd Mayweather Junior
    02 Joe Calzaghe
    03 Manny Pacquiao
    04 Juan Manuel Marquez
    05 Miguel Cotto
    06 Juan Diaz
    07 Israel Vasquez
    08 Christian Mijares
    09 Bernard Hopkins
    10 Ricky Hatton
    11 Chris John
    12 Kelly Pavlik
    13 Joan Guzman
    14 Rafael Marquez
    15 Ivan Calderon
    16 Mikkel Kessler
    17 Wladimir Klitschko
    18 Chad Dawson
    19 David Haye
    20 Jermain Taylor
    21 Ronald 'Winky' Wright
    22 Paul Williams
    23 Shane Mosley
    24 Junior Witter
    25 Oscar De La Hoya
     
    Smith, Jan 12, 2008
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  3. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    01 Floyd Mayweather Junior
    02 Joe Calzaghe
    03 Manny Pacquiao
    04 Juan Manuel Marquez
    05 Miguel Cotto
    06 Juan Diaz
    07 Israel Vasquez
    08 Christian Mijares
    09 Bernard Hopkins
    10 Ricky Hatton
    11 Chris John
    12 Kelly Pavlik
    13 Joan Guzman
    14 Rafael Marquez
    15 Ivan Calderon
    16 Mikkel Kessler
    17 Wladimir Klitschko
    18 Chad Dawson
    19 David Haye
    20 Jermain Taylor
    21 Ronald 'Winky' Wright
    22 Paul Williams
    23 Shane Mosley
    24 Junior Witter
    25 Oscar De La Hoya

    I don't agree word for word, but this is a good-looking list, better than I could come up with on the spot. Kudos, sir.
     
    Shake, Jan 12, 2008
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  4. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    :good

    Aha thats the trick, i've always got one saved on word, I update my P4P as I see fit.
     
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  5. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry but your wrong if I remember correctly the first fight with Johnson and Tarver was for the lineal Ring championship...
     
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  6. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To me undisputed would mean that they beat the man who was THE champion and hopkins was the man..taylor beat him...then pavlik beat him...
    belts are overrated. does anyone know who the ibf super featherweight champ is without looking it up?
     
    liljp361, Jan 12, 2008
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  7. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yup. jc is too low on that list
     
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  8. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Updated List...
     
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  9. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Marquez coming down on my list, it brought up JC Pavlik and Cotto :good ;)
     
    liljp361, Jan 12, 2008
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  10. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    You've sort of contradicted yourself by having Hopkins high based on durability and past accomplishments, whereas for some bizarre reason Kelly Pavlik is ranked above Joe Calzaghe after 1 decent win

    Using your own criteria Pavlik has not accomplished more. Joe is unbeaten for 17 years, and has bossed the division for the best part of a decade. Kelly Pavlik has one good win

    As for durability there are far more boxers capable of beating Kelly Pavlik than Joe Calzaghe based on recent performances. Pavlik has demonstrated defensive flaws, was very nearly knocked out in 2, whereas Joe's recent performances have been masterclasses

    I hope this helps
     
    TFFP, Jan 12, 2008
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  11. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Currently...Perhaps Top 8. I dont rank too highly after a loss. Winkys a perennial p4p fighter. He was p4p if you forget at the time he fought Hopkins...

    And Tarver, no doubt he was #1 he was the champion...
    Trinidad at the time hopkins beat him was 1 of the TOP p4p fighters in the world not to mention an ALL TIME GREAT.

    Kessler was #1, but so was Taylor except he was also undisputed champion...and Miranda was considered the next one that would challenge Taylor at the time he was considered the #1 contender..
     
    liljp361, Jan 12, 2008
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  12. Circa

    Circa Skate And Destroy Full Member

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    pacman didnt KO larios FYI
     
    Circa, Jan 12, 2008
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  13. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I rank Hopkins high because of his last 2 big wins, people forget at the time they were pretty big wins, Winky was a p4p and tarver was undisputed...

    well....both are undisputed undefeated champions... no doubt kessler was #1...he wasnt undisputed though at the time...taylor was the undisputed MW champ and and he also beat miranda, both with knockouts. Sorry but who else did Cal beat besides Kessler and Lacy?... I hold Taylor and Miranda in higher regard than Kessler and Lacy... and yes hes bossed the division but against who of note?...

    I disagree...I think pavlik is tough and too determined to lose at this point of his undefeated career..I would pick cal against him but based on quality of opposition as noted above, I rank Pav higher. and yes he was but that was against taylor...taylors a big puncher..nothing wrong with that...
     
    liljp361, Jan 12, 2008
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  14. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tko lol
     
    liljp361, Jan 12, 2008
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  15. Circa

    Circa Skate And Destroy Full Member

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    huh? TKO? did you watched the ****ing fight ?
     
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