My proposal to circumvent controversial decisions (maybe)...

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  1. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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  2. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm just kiding around.

    it's a good idea of course but you still can't really peak inside the judge's head. If you take it out of the judges hands then boxing becomes less...I dunno. Human?

    I think bad decisions and stupid scoring is part of the history of boxing at this point.
     
  3. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    At least this would mean to really give it into the judges hands with no one else knowing the scoring - the way how it should be...
     
  4. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's a reason nobody likes amateur boxing.
     
  5. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    This kind of scoring has nothing to do with the scoring in the amateurs...computers ain't that bad mate, we ain't in a Terminator-reality... :D
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like it. :thumbsup

    A few thoughts though:
    -It's not really a cheap method having 3 computers and a master computer, greedy sanctioning bodies wouldn't like it
    -There's a possibility of confusion and scoring mistakes with many judges 50+ still having trouble using any kind of electronic gadget. Many judges are stupid enough not to understand the 10 point must system, they'd have major troubles doing it on a machine
    -biased scoring and pity rounds are always going to be part of the game. Now imagine a judge not remembering how many 'close' rounds he scored to the hometown guy. It's very likely that he'd give him MORE of these to the prefered fighter, 'just to be sure'. And they'd be all nervous and thinking of 'oh how many rounds did I give to fighter A' instead of focusing on the fight

    So in the end, the same judges would use the same scoring method, just using a computer which could cause more harm than good. But you should write an email to the organizations or try to sell it! :good
     
  7. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    Na, it may cost around $3,000 for the whole system.
    And for you pointing on those judges, they would have to take a seminar organized by the ABC's and regional sanction bodies with a final test.
    And for your final article: Those judges would be far more under review and thus getting suspended b/c of the evidence of their electronic scoring sheets. Only the best and unbiased (though, every judges prefers another kind of scoring - aggressiveness, clean punching e.g.).

    In the end, my system would ensure that biased scoring would be easier to figure out and fight fans would get far more of a fair share and relief seeing fights being reviewed on that basis...
     
  8. blackpage

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    You seem to be implying that a judge that wants to cheat would be so stupid that he would not be able to keep track of a single number in his head for forty five minutes. This is ridiculous.

    Its also identical to the system we have now, except for the possibility that the scores could be hacked and changed electronically (and the judges may not be able to even remember what they scored if they did it honestly, so they may not even realize if it was fixed).
     
  9. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    You can't hack an independent, self-contained cable LAN.
    Also, I don't want to change the scoring system but preclude any outside influence to the judges and let them have scoring a round once at a time without much disturbance about the past rounds on their mind...if judges would try to remember how their scored the 5 and 6 when the fight is in the final round it would show their true colors b/c they would try to make up for it when maybe the round is as clear as it gets for the other guy - this would lead to reviews which most probable would lead to suspensions.

    That's the way it should work...
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think commissions and organizations keep the master scorecard and boxrec has the final scores (not round by round basis), so you can track down biased judges. For years it was available on boxrec and nothing happened, same guys judging. You see bacause 'close rounds could go either way', biased scoring can't get rid of under the current scoring system... no matter what you change, higher powers will always find a way to protect their interests, whether it's a promoter of the organization itself... These criminal organizations doing far worse outside of scoring with these stupid interim titles and mandatories, very controversial actions etc. Your system is too good for them to use. And you don't need a computer to send judges to a proper seminary :tong, which still never happens, judges, referees and guests are drinking tequilas in these annual meetings in 5 star hotels. Not exactly a bunch of people who are looking for boxings' best interests.
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    :lol::rofl:patsch

    The way to circumvent controversial decisions is to KO your opponent.
     
  12. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    :shock:
    I want to be an official... :D
     
  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Be one. I think you should start getting some experience in the amateurs, do an exam, score/refer a few hundrend fights then apply for a pro licence at the Austrian Boxing Federation and you might end up scoring close rounds to Abraham! :lol:
     
  14. Vengeance

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    It's really just a waste of time and resources. Because it wouldn't really prevent biased judging. You want this electronic system so it would deter judges from being biased and giving gift decisions to the hometown fighter. But a biased judge is a biased judge. Even if they can't see how they scored previous rounds, it's still not gonna stop them from scoring rounds incorrectly to benefit the hometown fighter.

    Just cause you don't have pen and paper doesn't mean you can't keep score in your head. It's not difficult at all. Yeah we all want to get rid of shady scoring, but this proposal of yours would prevent nothing.
     
  15. Tom_Tocca

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    b/c those 80-years-old judges still have a good short-term memory... :roll: