My sad attempt at Philly Shell...

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by MURDR, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Obviously not but if you clearly need natural talent to begin with. Hard work isn't enough to use that sort of defense. He is 100% right.
     
  2. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    Why do you need "natural talent"? Are you trying to imply that there's no way to improve your talent?
     
  3. Arranmcl

    Arranmcl Arran Full Member

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    You haven't even started yet... You really do come across as a bit of a dick with the way you brush off any advice people give you.
     
  4. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    its hard.
     
  5. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    No, not trying to brush off advice, I agree with it all except when people say you need natural talent. However, me saying don't quit has nothing to do with boxing, that's just my character and how I was raised. If I want something, I have to work 10x harder than everyone else to get it. I've had many people tell me to quit, especially after my 3 knee surgeries and osteoarthritis at only 18, but if I start something, I don't stop. I know it'll be hard, the hardest thing I've ever done, but I'm a perfectionist, so I won't stop until I'm perfect, which is impossible, so I always have something to push for.
     
  6. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    LOL

    everyone is dealt a certain genetic hand of cards, you can improve what you have of course but obviously your genetics you receive are a big deal

    btw your doing a lot of talking for someone who hasnt spent a day in the gym
     
  7. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    Obviously genetics play a role, but almost no one is the entire world can actually reach that genetic potential. That's a fact. Nothing to do with boxing, or boxing experience, there is lots of research that backs it up.
     
  8. WyattEarp

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    Somebody has been playing too much fight night :lol:
     
  9. chechenboxer

    chechenboxer New Member Full Member

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    you might have a bad knee but, you can always watch some technique videos and shadow box, and make a video about that and have the experienced guys here critique you
     
  10. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some people are born with a higher perecentage of fast twitch muscle fibres, these are the natural born power athletes, rugby or NFL players, sprinters etc. Otheres are born with a higher percentage of slow twitch muscle fibres, they excel at distance running, cycling etc. It's specific genetic traits like these other posters are referring to.

    Tyson had amazing natural power and speed down to genetics. Some boxers are born with a greater reach, faster reflexes, balance, coordination etc. Yes, the latter can be honed, but I'm guessing you're putting genetics down to just speed and strength with your "no one is the entire world can actually reach that genetic potential", it's all you ever talk about.
     
  11. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A talent is natural. So no, if you don't have a natural nack for boxing you can't improve this "talent".

    I don't think you understand what people mean by natural talent. Some people pick up maths equations very easy, others don't have a ****ing clue what half of the stuff they read means. Same with people that step into a boxing ring, some pick up everything very fast, footwork, balance, coordination, shifting their weight, others take 5x longer to get everything down. The naturally gifted guys are the ones that just get it within hours or days instead of months or years.
     
  12. brown bomber

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    MUDR you seem a nice dude so i'm going to give you some great advice; When you go to a coach by all means be aware of the fundamentals - but DO NOT teach yourself to box, I've coached a lot of people now and the hardest to train and improve are those already poorly trained.

    Learning to do something wrong is pointless. Its not helpful in the slightest. You have to relearn everything.
     
  13. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    i read a great piece before on athletes who were trained a new move compared to athletes who were trained the same move but had previously learned the move in the wrong way, the athletes who learned the move fresh off the bat conquered the move in 20 to 30 repititions, the athletes who previously learned the move in the wrong way took close to 300 repititions on average to correct the move
     
  14. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Toney went pro after approx 30 amateur fights -not even at a very high level I believe, straight into professionals with that skillful style
     
  15. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    on the flipside Floyd Jr fights just like his dad and was trained before he could crawl