My stab at a top 50 all time p4p

Most of my lists are up for grabs. This one certainly isn't final. Let's have some thoughts. If you're talking about a guy i've missed out alltogether, tell me where he should be on this list.

If you want a guy moved up, please explain your reasons for moving him above a couple of the guys above him.

1 - Sam Langford
2 - Sugar Ray Robinson
3 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Hary Greb
5 - Ezzard Charles
6 - Willie Pep
7 - Mickey Walker
8 - Archie Moore
9 - Roberto Duran
10- Bob Fitzimmons
11- Muhammad Ali
12- Charley Burley
13- Benny Leonard
14- Joe Louis
15-Sugar Ray Leonard
16-Sandy Saddler
17-Joe Gans
18-Gene Tunney
19-Stanley Ketchel
20-Roy Jones Junior
21-Jimmy Wilde
22-Carlos Monzon
23-Pernell Whitaker
24-Barbados Joe Walcott
25-Tony Canzoneri
26-Barney Ross
27-Emile Griffith
28-Julio Cesar Chavez
29-Jimmy McLarnin
30-Jack Britton
31-Evander Hollyfield
32-Terry McGovern
33-Ted Kid Lewis
34-Marvin Hagler
35-Ruben Olivares
36-Eder Jofre
37-Thomas Hearns
38-Joes Napoles
39-Ike Williams
40-Floyd Mayweather
41-Billy Conn
42-Sonny Liston
43-Lennox Lewis
44-Nonparallel Jack Dempsey
45-Carlos Oritz
46-Mysterious Billy Smith
47-Holman Williams
48-Alexis Arguello
49-Salvador Sanchez
50-Bernard Hopkins

I agonised over leaving out Kid Chocolate, Ricardo Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, Manuel Oritz...one or two others.

All observations welcome, I want to work it up to a 100 but I found this really difficult - I guess I know less about it all than I thought

One exception though. Every time someone tells me Burley is to high, i'm moving him up a slot

 

You think Benny's a lock for the top 10? Really?

 

Thanks.

My top four have become freakishly interchangeable but I am happy with Langford as my #1 at this time. He seemed to be a dominant force all the way from Middle to Heavy. I'm happy that he is as "special" as anyone,ever at 160-200 making him something of a phenom, a freak. He's also competitive at HW, I believe, in an all time H2H sense, although I wouldn't expect him to beat to many ATG'S.

Inconvenient then, that he already has in Harry Wills, a lock for any top 25 HW list and appearing in some top 10's.

Marciano - I underate Marciano, currently have him at #13 as a HW, but i'm working on it. I did not consider him seriously for this list. In fact only four HW's make it, Ali, Louis, Liston and Lewis.

 

This is the type of thing i'm interested in. Care to place these three on the above list, or approx them (8-13 for example)? I won't hold you to anything, just interested to see.

If you make such a case i'd happily read it - but to be frank I don't see him in a top 200 at this time.

 

Sugar Ray? Or Benny?

 

Bernard makes it in mainly on longevity. I also see him as a toughie head to head and have a personal admiration for his style. I like his get it done attitude.

Interesting though - I always thought of him as a top 40 sort of fighter in a vague sort of way. When it came to the list -- he nearly didn't make it, nearly lost out to Kid Chocolate...