My stab at a top 50 all time p4p

Good effort. The picks I disagree with the most are Ketchel, Billy Smith, and Evander Holyfield. Why Ketchel and Smith? Lopez was much better.

Regarding Holyfield, I think Holmes had better pound for pound skills.

 

I'd say right off the bat Hagler and Arguello are too low. Otherwise not a bad list at all. Also, how is Canzoneri above Ross?

 

To musquote Eric Morecambe: You have virtually all the right fighters, just not necessarily in the right order!

No I joke; an excellent effort. You obviously have put a lot of thought into it, and deserve kudos for that.

For the record; IMO you have got Burley too low...

I had Burley #2 at some stages in the late 80s/early 90s, and to this day I still have at #11.

 

RJJ top 10! anyone before the 40s should be off the list to, dont care what people say, those guys would get smoked by modern athletes, just like any other sport.

 

We can speculate how fighters from diferent eras would fare against each other but it can only ever be speculation.

What the fighters acomplished in the ring on the other hand is fact.

A great resume counts for more than a thousand fantasy match ups at the end of the day.

At the end of the day the vast majority of people who use the modern athletes are better argument aply it selectivley to suit their own agenda. They will use it to justify a modern fighter beating say Harry Greb but when it comes to their favourite fighter from the 70s progress abruptly stops and he is still competitive today.

 

Jones is way too high. He should not be above Monzon who has a far better record, as do a number of other fighters on the list.

What about Mike Spinks?

Most of the other names are all there though.

 

Good list.

I think Benny Leonard should be higher. Virtually unbeatable at his weight for about 7 years and god knows how many contests. His opposition was a deep field of very good lightweigts. And his skills are legendary.

I question Liston's inclusion. I dont consider his achievements worthy of a rating. And strictly pound-for-pound he as as big as. - and usually bigger than - his best opponents. Dumping the fights with Clay/Ali dont help his legacy either IMO.

Likewise I'm not sold on Lennox Lewis, but that's probably just personal preference. He beat a lot of top contenders at his weight so that's an argument for his inclusion.

I approve of Holyfield, certainly taking into account he was UNDISPUTED champ in the top two divisions.

 

At least you have some sense of what a P4P list means... Is it a good one? you guys can debate that one.

 

You've really been making a fool out of yourself today, I suggest you stop posting until you've gained some iknowledge.

 

It's a much better post than any of the senile nonsense you've come up with you old geezer.:good