My stab at a top 50 all time p4p

His resume is definitely not better than Chavez's. You base everything on resumes, yet you're not even very good at determining who's is better than who's.

 

Of couse Jones look better, Marciano was never about looking good. The thing is Marciano clean out his era, Jones Jr didnt. Who cares if Roy Jones Jr looks more flashy. I sure Robinson look more flashy than Carman and Fullmer. But at the end of the day, he still lost to them.

Jones left a lot of questions unanswer during his rein, also Jones had a benefit in the alpha era. Jones never won the lineal title in ANY of his weight classes, and I dont put much stock in Jones Jr heavyweight title win over Ruiz. Micky Walker could have repeated the feat in this day and age imo.

 

Mike Spinks beat Mustapha, Johnson, Qawi and dominated a deep division. he also beat a real HW champion.

Sanchez could be 10 places higher when you look at his wins over Nelson, Gomez, Lopez x 2, Laporte, Cowdell... His record his better than many above him.

 

I would agree; I have Charles at #14 and Moore at #4, but Marciano at #65.

The Rock was excellent, an icon of his era, a role model of the time. But his victories over Charles and Moore were against fighters not at their prime weight and more importantly not in their prime IMO.

I think all top Heavyweights get slightly overrated because of their iconic status, as being Kings or Princes in boxings most recognized division in history.

 

You didn't really provide any solid arguments to counter here. Marciano is not ranked highly on pound-for-pound lists as a "token of understanding," he's ranked highly because he merits it. He was the only unbeaten and untied linear champion in the history of boxing, in any weight class. He defeated two men who are in your top 10 all-time pound-for-pound, both while they were not far above their best weights, one of whom (Moore) was at the absolute height of his career, and both while weighing approximately the same as he was. Accounting for size, I can see a guy like Lennox Lewis ranking ahead of him at heavyweight, but Lewis is not even on the same planet with Marciano pound-for-pound. In my opinion, Marciano shouldn't be outside the top 25 of all time in a pound-for-pound sense, let alone the top 50.

 

Agree with MF, also Marciano was not picky around though foes like Jones did. He choose Ruiz, instand of Lewis. Had Marciano been giving the choice, he would have went after the best, Lewis.

Your just saying Jones has skills, I wont denie that. He had amazing skills, BUT I cant put some one like Jones Jr over some one that clean out his era, vs some one that doesnt. I rank Ali high because he clean out his era. Louis clean out his era. Jones let a bunch of guys run loose in his.

Reason I cant let Dempsey off for Wills or Jeff for Johnson. Marciano is in the TOP 50 because he prove it. He did not win and lose the title as fast as battling Siki, or Sonny Liston, He held it for a good 4 years fighting the best.
I take a good short rein over a long, rein fighting weaker foes like Mister part time police man, part time cop or the garbage men he beat up.

 

Overall, that's a great list. Don't agree with some of it, but that's the nature of rating and ranking.

You threw in a couple of odd picks that nobody does but that were well deserved and I'm all about underrated talent's getting the credit that they deserve.

Don't like Whitaker down at #23 though.:-((

 

Some suggestions: Dump the losers-Billy Smith, Olivares, Burley, Non Pariel, Lewis, Conn, Mayweather, Liston, Williams, Holyfield and replace them with some real fighters or rank them higher: Pancho Villa, Abe Atell, Gans, Loughran, Johnson, Jeffries, Spinks, Monzon.

Oh Yeah, get rid of leonard!!!

 

Yeah Whitaker is too low, Holmes and Pryor should be on the list and Sugar Ray Robinson is No. 1 on my list.