My stab at a top 50 all time p4p

Taylor wasn't ancient. He was past his prime, but honestly Chavez was passing his as well. Again, your opinions on fights don't hold much merit with me, because you change your opinions often to fit your arguments.

Most of the fighters I named from Chavez's resume were better than those guys. Someone like Seki had a great record fighting secondary comp in Asia, no top notch wins. Pretty much everyone I named was better than him, and he was one of the better wins out of the guys you just named.

Ramos and Laguna are his big wins. Famechon may get in, I wouldn't count on Winstone. Chavez has Taylor, Rosario, Camacho, and guys like Ramirez and Mayweather. Some of the guys on Saldivar's resume were more consistent, but at the time they fought, someone like Taylor was arguably at as high or a higher level than any of them.

 

But thats why you rank Jones over Marciano. BECAUSE Jones Jr was a boxer. Marciano should have been ranked over Jones because he at least clean out his era.

 

I don't think Legra is any better than a Ramirez or a Lockridge. Not on resume and not on film either.

Nope, that was Hiroyuki Ebihara (and Fighting Harada).

 

@McGrain

What are the chances that this list has changes soon due to the current scene? Could Mayweather do anything to move up substantially? Could Calzaghe, Wvlad, or anyone else fighting currently make the list any time soon?

 

That was well after losing to Saldivar, at the time of their meeting he wasn't exactly hot stuff.

And you just conveniently left out Whitaker? You will go to any lengths to discredit Pea, it's getting ridiculous, you're a hater, plain and simple, which is funny, because you put on the front of being a fan so when you do say something negative about him(which is always) you can say "Hey, I'm a Pea fan, I'm just realistic" or some bull****.

Anyways, Saldivar was in close fights, so was Chavez. He wasn't exactly a fast starter. If you believe Randall did, indeed, beat him, it's not like that was a prime Chavez anyway.

No, because Winestone is no HOF'er. Legra, Laguna, and Ramos, maybe Famechon in time are HOF'ers. So I'll give you 3-4.

Check again, he lost to Kingpetch and every other top notch fighter he faced.

What I will give you is this, arguing with you about this and reviewing Saldivar a bit more has changed my opinion somewhat on the overall matter. My thoughts are that Chavez's resume was deeper, while some of Saldivar's top wins are perhaps better.

 

Pernell gets ranked higher cuz he beat chavez head to head, but outside of that fight chavez prolly has the deeper resume between the two cuz he beat more titlists and more ranked fighters. If pernell and chavez were to have never fought each other, would i even have to ask who people would have ranked higher?

I sometimes question if pernell truly deserves to be ranked higher than a guy like carlos ortiz. Yes, ortiz has the losses to busso and lane, but it still doesnt change the fact that he beat 6 hall of famers, and on more than one occasion. Stylistically, locce and whitaker were similar and ortiz beat locce fairly easily, unless ur argentianinan judge.

 

Pernell is not similar to Locche at all other than the fact that he's evasive. Stop being foolish. I could say Ortiz is similar to Ramirez in that case. Whitaker has a much more versatile style than Locche.

 

beleive me theres a much bigger gap between ramirez and ortiz then there is between whitaker and locce. One is good ar everything, the other is a one dimenionsoinal plodder with slow hands.

 

Laguna beat Ortiz, he's a closer fighter style-wise to Whitaker than Locche, aside from elusiveness. I don't believe Ortiz has anything in his arsenal that would greatly trouble Whitaker's style, if you do, let it be known, rather than trying to bring down Whitaker like you always do just for the sake of it.

 

laguna beat ortiz in a close fight and it was avenged.

 

Still, style-wise, what does Ortiz present Whitaker with that you think he wouldn't be able to handle?

 

well hes a well rounded fighter, and hes got a very good track record against worldclass fighters. Hes not the type of guy that whitaker just shuts out. In fact hes really more proven against worldclass fighters than whitaker is. Am i supposed to believe whitaker fights all of those hall of famers with no blemish's on his record, its a guarantee one of those guys would have beat him.

 

It's no guarantee at all. Which one would've beaten him? Whitaker was rarely ever even challenged in his prime. Not to say if he fought the top level LW's he wouldn't be, but name some names that Ortiz fought that would beat Pea, other than Loi, as we have no footage of him.

Also, you've said it before, you rate Pea as the best H2H at 135 of all time, you said and I quote it was his "unbeatable weight class", so don't go against your word again just because you're in a different argument, you do that too much, and it really loses you credibility when you go against what you yourself say.