My take on MOSLEY v MARGARITO

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jan 25, 2009.


  1. DINAMITA

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    Antonio Margarito has an iron chin, this has been proven again and again. But every human being can be knocked out. And Shane Mosley's punching power and handspeed were so good last night that he knocked out a truly iron-chinned fighter. This was a special achievement for Sugar Shane.

    I still think Margarito is an excellent welterweight due to his strength and resilience, and I'd still back him to beat Miguel Cotto in a rematch, but I would not back him to beat Mosley in a rematch. Speed kills, and it would kill Antonio again. He should look elsewhere for his next challenge. A rematch with Joshua Clottey maybe? Or Paul Williams at 154?

    I have been a critic of Mosley's resume, and although one fight doesn't transform a decent res into a great one, a win like this one does make a hell of a difference. At 37 years old, to go up against one of the most feared men in boxing, a top 10 p4p ranked fighter, and to win in the fashion that Shane did really was stunning.

    Was last night as good a win as SSM's first victory over Oscar De La Hoya? I don't think so. Shane beat peak Oscar convincingly back in 2000, and peak Oscar was a vastly superior fighter to Margarito.

    But it was a SENSATIONAL win last night. It greatly improves Shane's resume and his legacy. I have always ranked Shane roughly on par with Tito Trinidad, Joe Calzaghe and Winky Wright, but I think that Mosley has now pulled ahead of those guys.

    He is a Great.

    :bbb



    Anyone for MOSLEY v MAYWEATHER in a battle of the elite fighters this summer??
     
  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's a cheater, fights are usually won in the gym and Shane gets the unfair edge.
     
  3. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    If Cotto had just clinched we would've seen him win easy. Don't know if he would've stopped Margo, but Shane proved, clinching makes Margarito confused....it allows you to slow down his workrate, which in turn allows you to hit him more after the clinch is broken, and eventually you can stop him.

    Mosley laid the blueprint to beat Margo last night, Cotto would've done it sooner, if only he had clinched!

    I'm not going to pass judgement on Margo's handwraps until I find out the truth. Did think it was strange how his arm punches seemed to destroy people, but I assumed he was following in the vein of all good Mexican fighters, who only need to make contact with an opponent, even in the slightest manner in order to hurt and wear them down.

    I thought Margarito had heavy hands, and his phenomenal workrate and iron chin allowed him to break opponents down.

    Cintron was terrified and, after Margarito's very good chin took some of his punches, became disheartened and was stopped.

    Cotto landed many good punches on Margarito's VERY GOOD chin but too became terrified that the Terminator was coming after him, thought he couldn't hurt Margarito, DIDN'T CLINCH and took a shedload of punishment, Toni's stamina allowing him to beat Cotto down and stop him.

    Mosley saw through this. He saw that Margo was easy to hit, and made a few adjustments to slow Margo's workrate, worked his ass off himself and ended up stopping him.

    Margarito clearly has a very good chin. But it is not infallible. I hope now the Margo nuthuggers will not post stupid threads like 'Margarito vs. Hearns at 147'. It is clear now that Margarito would not shape up that well against ATG fighters, and is clearly a B-Level fighter. Losses to Santos and Williams were not because he started too slow, but because he is not that great a fighter.

    He is an effective pressure fighter when you allow him to be. Unlike Chavez, Sanchez and even Vasquez/Marquez, Margo does not belong in that class because he has no Plan B.

    Shane had a solution for Plan A and Margo could do nothing to stp it being one-sided.

    I am a fan of both Margo and Mosley, but in a way it felt like justice to see Toni being stopped, mainly because of nuthuggers on ESB.

    Margo-Cotto is STILL an interesting match and Cotto will want to do it for prides sake. Margo will want to show he is not a one-fight man and that he really did always have Cotto's number (Of course this is all depends on the outcome of the wraps scandal)

    What next for Mosley? I think it is safe to say he has not just the beating, but the battering of Berto.

    Will Shane want to move up to 154 and fight Williams? My bet is he stays at 147. If Williams can come back down that would be a very interesting fight.

    A fight vs. the winner of Hatton/Pac doesn't really interest me. There are plenty of good fights for those guys with Elite fighters from 135/140.

    Think about it? Shane is not a massive WW. He is a FORMER LW! He is OLD! he is coming off the back of an impressive victory and appears to be IN FORM! He is a NAME! He is black and American and is a multi-weight World champion. Guaranteed MONEY!

    You might wonder why I stupidly put certain words in capital letters. These are the things that appeal to FLOYD! (lol sorry done it again)

    This is risky in terms of the matchup, but Floyd knows that, if he loses to Mosley, it was mean less than losing to someone like Margarito. Floyd knows he can say Mosley was one of the best fighters of the last 20 years there's no shame in that.

    I personally think Floyd should be fighting the guys around the same age as him, but Mosley has shown us that he is still in the mix, arguably the best fighter at 147......it would actually be a difficult fight for Mayweather, but not as risky as ighting Margo-pre Mosley (who had an aura which Floyd may have bought into, personally I think Floyd schools Margo without the stoppage) or Cotto (who I actually think Floyd would've fought had he beaten Margarito last July.)

    PBF vs. Mosley would be a competitive fight, would pose Floyd's biggest test so far and legacy-defining for both guys. They're both multi-weight World champs with questionable resumes at times, i.e; Mosley so-called top 5 LW of all time, opposition wasn't great, steroid allegations; resurgance in later years.

    Floyd; seemingly cherry-picked opponents, opponents that were his equal had problems with weight when they fought Floyd; Castillo 1 controversy; 'Retiring' without fighting Margo/Cotto/Williams/Clottey/Mosley.

    Good fight. Hope Floyd comes back and takes it.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I simply think that Mosley hits a lot harder than he is given credit for.

    If you look at the guys he has beaten, 46 (39) - two of those were DLH, who had an iron chin, so 44 (39).....

    Then you have Collazo, who has a great chin....
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    I'm angry at myself for not picking Shane to win. I always back the fighter I think has the superior boxing skills, but in this fight I did think Margo would be too tough for the Mosley who beat Mayorga, so I went against my norm and chose Margo. That was a mistake.
     
  6. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    I actually think mosleys utilization of body punches and jabs, and nazeems skill as a trainer had a lot to do with it
    now the big question is, is margo going to retire
     
  7. Symphenyceo

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    :good
     
  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    the fighter with better boxing skills often loses. If you wanna become really good at making picks, you have to dig much deeper than that.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Not really.

    All the signs were pointing towards a Margo win - he was coming off two excellent stoppage wins against feared opponents, Shane had been inactive of late and barely scraped past a guy who was HBO's resident 'comeback whipping boy' who had received savage beatings from DLH and Tito in years past.

    From the 1st round (watching at 10am today without knowing the winner) I just had a feeling Shane would do it. Margo respected his power. After a minute against Cotto, he was chasing him around the ring, and eating leather for the sake of it all night.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    I don't think he just means pure boxing ability PhILLA I think he means all-round game. I.e I doubt he'd pick Ivan Calderon over Valuev (stupid comparison, but just trying to outline my point)
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    It works for me 9 times out of 10. I believe that the most important thing for a boxer is skills. I will continue to back the better boxer to win.
     
  12. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    well its a free country
     
  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    For me, a good thing is to look at common opponents, and (especially) how they deal with guys of a similar style.

    Does someone struggle with say......

    Southpaws
    Body punchers
    Master jabbers

    and so on
     
  14. Flea Man

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    If Cotto rematches Mosley, what do you guys think will happen? Personally I think Cotto wins another close but clear decision.
     
  15. What? It has to because of the glossy record against Shane's losses to Wright and Forest. Because surely you don't think there was ever any similarity in talent, athleticism, and bravery?

    Smaller man constantly moves to higher weight divisions fighting larger guys while the other hides with the WarrBO and only fights elite guys when the are collecting their social security checks.