My take on Whitaker and Mayweather

Sadly, I don't know that much about Sweet Pea's career. But I've got plans to go and watch all of his fights, when I have the time. I've only seen a handful of fights, and some highlights.

But I just wanted to pick up on a few things from your post.


You say that Floyd was on a different planet.

Is that not a gross exaggeration?


You say that Floyd would have DOMINATED him.

Again, is that not an exaggeration?

Pea was a southpaw.


You've also said this - "I would say there is not a fighter on Sweet Peas record with MAYBE the exception of JCC that i can say would beat Floyd. Not even CLOSE."

What about Oscar De La Hoya?

I think a younger version of Oscar than the one that Floyd fought in 2007, could definitely have been capable of beating him.

 

To your first point. I have followed Sweet P career and have seen all of his most meaningful fights especially because i was a big fan. Sweet P was a great great fighter who I thought beat ODH and JCC both. Defensively Sweet P was a top 3 fighter ever in my opinion. Mayweather is just flat out better. Not only do i not think its NOT a gross exaggeration, and it pains me to say it, but i think Floyd Mayweather is the very best fighter i have ever seen period. Based on all of there fights that Ive seen. I have watched every single fight Floyd has had in his career. Most more than once. And i would say i have watched all of Sweet Peas stating from like his 15 pro fight and Mayweather is in a world of his own. I hope you post me back after you have watched Sweet. The only thing Sweet P has going for him is that he was a southpaw. Okay so than there for what? May was clearly Quicker, Faster, had way more power, better feet, better stamina, smarter, bigger, and was three times the counter puncher sweet was. AND YES FLOYD IS WAY HARDER TO HIT. Not to mention Sweets bouts with cocaine and drinking. Floyd treats his body like a temple. My response to your Oscar comment is this. I might remotely agree with you about a younger Oscar giving May problems except for Sweet P fought a younger ODH and I thought he was Robbed. I mean that fight was close but he had real problems with Sweet. The fact that Oscar used his jab way more when he was younger is a plus. Remember when they fought, Oscar was sitting on top of the Mountain and Floyd had to jump up in weight and fight ODH at 154. Oscar i think had a better shot at floyd at 154 than say at 140 when Oscar was younger. I think floyd was more dominate at 140 than any other weight. He carried way more power down there.

 

what are you watching man!!! Whitaker was Faster and better footwork? You have got to be kidding me! Have you seen all of Sweets fights in comparison with Floyds? dude STOP!

 

ODLH was best at 130-147lbs. just like Mayweather. Fighting at 154 for Oscar was a sign of aging and not being in as good of condition as he was when he was younger.

Even is his prime I think ODLH wouldn't have solved Floyd, but he would have given him a much better fight than the bout they actually had.

ODLH was the golden boy, who fought everyone that was a true challenge (Hats of to him for that). Unfortunately he lost most of his toughest challenges and a prime FMJ wouldn't have been the exception to that rule.

 

Pea vs. FMJ would have been a technical observers wet dream and a snoozfest to casuals.

Poor Pea he gets praise now, and he was one of my first attractions to boxing , but he was never appreciated in his time.

If FMJ hadn't created his negative hype train he might have been heavily overlooked through his career. Fighting ODLH was his breakthrough to notoriety.

Casuals pay they bills and they tend to underappreciate technical skills, that they often don't understand the nuances of. This is the travesty of the sport, even the judges are essentially just paid casual fans.

 

sweat pea threw more combinations and was willing to engage.

floyd was the master pot shotter.

the major difference in the details comes out in both fighter's mental temperament in the ring:

sweat pea - hit and hit and don't get hit
fmj - don't get hit, don't get hit then hit

although floyd mayweather may arguably be the better technical fighter. i would always prefer sweat pea bc i think he had a more fan friendly style despite the fact that sweat pea did have a few stinkers

 

Only funny think,floyd is still undefeated

Nobody could beat floyd right now,but it's funny that people think almost every ATG from 1950's-2000 could and would beat floyd mayweather.

And also it's funny think that floyd is FW-LW and almost every other WW ATG,started and fighted majority of their careers in WW.

Do you happen to know floyd's prime was at FW-LW.

Prime whitaker,prime SRR,prime SRL,prime Hearns etc..were all under 30in their prime and natural WW's.

Floyd who is natural LW and way past his prime at 36.

Why don't you compare how past his prime SRL,whitaker,hearns,SRR would match against prime Roy jones jr. At 160?

 

Good POINT!

 

Floyd whooped his ass when he was young. Floyd would whoop that ass prime for prime. It's like the book Time Machine when the protagonist finally figures out he can never save his love from death as long as the time machine exists because her death was the reason why he built the time machine in the first place. Floyd would not be Floyd unless he whooped that ass therefore no version of Pea would've got Floyd. The OP brought up magic and fiction hence why I had to do the same. In conclusion:

Floyd SD.

 

Your correct for all of the above save Whitaker. He is not bigger than Floyd. Sweet Pea's ht. is 5'6" and his natural weight was LW. He matured into WW(small one at that) just like Floyd. SRR, SRL, Hearns......yes they aren't a fair comparison prime for prime however Whitaker, Duran, Chavez, Pryor, Armstrong, Camacho were the kind of guys Floyd should be compared to. FMJ matches up well against all of them IMO, and wins at least the majority of those bouts.

 

Sorry for the late reply.

I'll go and watch some more of Pea, and then I'll bump the thread again.

I agree that Oscar's fight with Pea was close. But as the old saying goes, styles make fights. Floyd may have been better than Pea, but Oscar may have had an easier time against Floyd. (If he'd have fought Floyd, when he was younger)

The version of Oscar that Floyd fought was 34, and he'd only fought twice in almost three years. Floyd definitely had more power at 140, but I think a younger, mid-late 20's version of Oscar that fought at 147, would definitely have had a chance of beating Floyd.

 

I respect your opinion, but I think a younger version of Oscar definitely would have had a good chance of beating Floyd.

You're obviously right about Oscar losing his big fights, but we both know that he was incredibly unlucky. The Mosley fights were great, and he could have got the nod in one of those. The Tito fight was a joke in my opinion. He definitely beat Tito.

At the end of the day, as great as Floyd is, how many ATG's as he beaten in their primes? You can put that down to circumstances, and it may not be his fault. But we've never seen him fight anybody that was the same calibre of a peak Oscar, a peak Shane, or a peak Tito.

Yes, he's obviously beaten both Oscar and Shane, but those versions were nothing like the versions that fought against each other in 2000 and 2003.

What do you think would have happened if Floyd at 147, had have fought the 1999 version of Tito, and the 2000 version of Shane, who Oscar fought?

Thanks!

 

Personally I'v gotta go with floyd in this one. I think the exact same opinion as the OP, it's be a close chess match for 4-6 rounds but i just think floyd would take over and win the decision.

 

But i always counter this with, floyd wasn't in his prime neither. Floyds best win is corrales, both prime.. both unbeaten.. heck if hatton had of reitred after losing to floyd we'd be saying how good a win that was..

It's such a shame floyd v pac never happened in 09, after floyd had just easily beat marquez and pac had just ko'd cotto.. this would of been such a big fight. arggg stil annoys me to this day lol

 

So true.