My tentative middleweight top 10

1) Harry Greb
2) SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
3) STANLEY KETCHEL
4) MICKEY WALKER
5) TOMMY RYAN
6) JAKE LAMOTTA
7) CARLOS MONZON
8) MARVIN HAGLER
9) CHARLEY BURLEY
10) BERNARD HOPKINS

 

All those three I mentioned were good fighters. Jackson was the WBO jr middleweight champ, and WBA middleweight champion.

 

Some inspired picks.

 

You are Nat Jr; aren't you Janitor?

 

My top 20 in all its glorious eccentricity

1. Harry Grebb
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Mickey Walker
4. Jeff Clarke
5. Stanley Ketchel
6. Carlos Monzon
7. Ray Robinson
8. Marvin Hagler
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Mike Gibbons
11. Charley Burley
12. Tommy Ryan
13. Dick Tiger
14. Tiger Flowers
15. Marcel Cerdan
18. Jake La Motta
16. Holman Williams
17. Tony Zale
19. Loyd Marshal
20. Gene Fullmer
21. George Chip

 

No just a genetic throwback.

 

How do you reason (in particular) Ryan & Ketchel over Monzon & Hagler?

 

Thats a horrible list, you should be ashamed of yourslef. Please justify why you have ketchel above monzon and hagler, cuz he beat billy papke?

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Between the Hopkins and Wright defeats, Trinidad had two fights against Cherifi and Mayorga and looked as good as ever.

Mayorga's style was made to order, but Trinidad's timing and precision was in the zone. His offense that night was a sight to behold.

Wright's style exposed Trinidad more than anything.

 

Billy Papke was better than anybody Monzon or Hagler beat at least relative to his own era. He was the clear cut No2 guy in the middleweight division and there was no single outstanding challenger in Monzons reign for example.

Ketchel also holds two wins over Philadelphia Jack O'Brien who was the established No1 fighter at 175lbs. One of them coming by early knockout. He also holds a knockout win over Dan Porky Flyn who was a prety usefull heavyweight of the era.

You would be hard put to find a middleweight who had a similar career profile in their own era. If Ketchel had lived longer who knows what he would have gone on to do?

 

LaMotta, despite his resume, was too limited to be in the top 10

 

rodrigo valdez is clearly a better fighter and monzon and hagler both have better resumes than him, this is ridiculous.

 

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