My Thoughts and Takeaways of Golovkin/Lemieux

abuffy · Oct 19, 2015

BeastsideBoxing said: ↑

And Lemieux is a good fighter but not a great one. Golovkin still hasn't trully been tested at a world champion level. For example Cotto who's not a true Middleweight will test Golovkin more. It's still to early to make him the next Mayweather. The skills are there, he displayed them, that jab is amazing and few posses something like that, the power is obvious and the accuracy was amazing, still against a guy who gets hit pretty often by straight punches. Alvarez also will be a better test then Lemieux.

Lets wait for him to take the winner of Cotto-Alvarez or Quillin-Jacobs at least before making him the next #1 fighter in the world.
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Totally fine, but I think he'd beat Cotto easier than he did Lemieux and Canelo just as easy. Neither of them "test" him, imo. They're great names and world champions, but from what I'm seeing, Golovkin is visibly superior in almost every aspect.

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

"For all of us who said Golovkin was allowing Monroe to hit him, we were right. Golovkin's defense was extremely impressive. He was slipping, rolling, and parrying David's shots for majority of the fight. If you went back and watched the fight in slow-motion, you would be equally impressed with Golovkin's defense as you would be watching Mayweather's defense. Not saying their defense is equally as good, but that it is impressive nonetheless. There were techniques too that he used that reminded me of Mayweather. "

God you're stupid. He wasn't letting him hit him, Monroe is more technically sound than Lemieux and throws faster combinations. Lemieux throws bombs which are easy to avoid. Could Golovkin fight more defensively against Monroe and take less shots? Yes, but he DIDNT let him hit him, he fought a certain style, and if you fight that style you get HIT.

wylan911 · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Hi:hi:

I've been quiet for a while, but that's because I was so busy in NYC. On my first fight experience, I have nothing else left to say other than it was the most incredible sporting event I've ever been to and I've been to a lot. My family is now completely full-blown Triple G fans from previously being Mayweather fans, and the transition was quite easy for them. Seriously, my mom and dad didn't care about anyone else in boxing but Mayweather, but now they've already rewatched GGG/Lemieux. They want to go to Canelo/GGG, and I'll be attending more of his fights for now on, without a doubt.

On the fight,

1) For all of us who said Golovkin was allowing Monroe to hit him, we were right. Golovkin's defense was extremely impressive. He was slipping, rolling, and parrying David's shots for majority of the fight. If you went back and watched the fight in slow-motion, you would be equally impressed with Golovkin's defense as you would be watching Mayweather's defense. Not saying their defense is equally as good, but that it is impressive nonetheless. There were techniques too that he used that reminded me of Mayweather.

For one, Golovkin uses his arm as a distraction the same way Mayweather does when he's being pressed. When Mayweather is on the ropes, he'll stick out his arm as a tool to blind or befuddle the opponent to turn them. Golovkin used it against Lemieux various amount of times when he too was pressed against the ropes. He also incorporated the shoulder-roll to avoid much of what David was throwing. Very neat to see from Golovkin because he doesn't use it often. It just goes to show that Sanchez isn't kidding when he says fans really haven't seen all that Golovkin has in his tool box.

2) For rounds 1-5, Golovkin used as I term his "Olympic-style" meaning he boxed. He subtly cut off the ring a few times when he wanted, but for the most part he was fighting Lemieux in the center of the ring and using his jab. Obviously the jab was the main aspect of the story, and Golovkin's usage of it was brilliantly. Lemieux was so thrown out of his gameplan and really had no answer on it from the start. It seemed as if Golovkin was landing it every single time. Lemieux got hesitant to attack and when he did try to go in, Golovkin would either jab him out or counter him. It was demoralizing for his opponent.

3) After the knockdown, Golovkin left his olympic-style and consciously chose to begin fighting in the style that we are accustomed to see him use which is the stalker that cuts off the ring and more aggressively (yet still methodically) begins to break down the opponent. After round 5, he smelled blood and began to press for the knockout. Golovkin knew Lemieux was finished, had nothing to offer and went after him. He transformed back into the fighter we see each fight and once he did, it took only 2-3 rounds for the KO to finally come. When Golovkin left his olympic-style, Lemieux was having a bit more success since Golovkin become that much more aggressive and walking him down, but it was nothing that concerned Golovkin obviously and it was a opportunity cost worth taking since Lemieux was becoming more and more broken down with each exchange.

4) For rounds 1-5 when he was using the "Olympic-Style" (jabbing, more defensive), I noticed
a) Golovkin's feet are faster than we think and played a huge role in
why Lemieux was hitting air.
b) Golovkin has an incredible sense of timing and distance

5) This was Golovkin's best performance. No, Golovkin didn't knock Lemieux out in two rounds like he did other opponents, but this was still his best performance to me. The reason I say that is because Golovkin showed more skill in this fight than we have seen in any other previous one. We saw new things from Golovkin that we haven't and credit to Lemieux for bringing it out.

Lemieux was a good opponent. Golovkin didn't just avoid his power, he completely neutralized Lemieux in every aspect. Regardless of how good you think Lemieux is, that's impressive. Golovkin showed two different styles and proved that he is an extremely versatile and intelligent fighter who is fully aware of what is happening in the ring and when/how to adjust to what is happening in the ring.

How rare is it to see a fighter who can choose what he wants to do with an opponent game-plan wise. He can out-brawl any MW and out-box any MW. Pacquiao is similiar, but he is clearly a better brawler than he is boxer while Golovkin seems to be equally as good in both regards. And when I say better, I mean elite because he can completely dominate any MW with either style that he pleases to use. That's special everyone, and I hope you realize that.

Overall, I saw what Mayweather and Pacquiao have done before so many times:

Make GOOD opponents look like a complete amateur, and that is exactly what happened. Golovkin made a good opponent look like he didn't even belong. That is a testament to Golovkin's skill and the level in which he's at which truly is that much greater than all the other opponents in the MW division. Mayweather can fight any top Welterweight in his division and make them look like a C grade fighter, and yet any other welterweight would be a good match with anyone else. Same with Pacquiao, and same with Golovkin. He is doing what an ATG should be doing. Making good opponents look C-grade.

With that said, I was the most impressed with Golovkin than any of his other fights in all regards of his defense, offense, and skill. I truly believe we are watching a prime ATG in action. Appreciate it!
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Very good post. GGG definitely has all the tools, as you would expect with someone with the amateur background that he has. Except for great speed that is, but his technique and timing more than make up for that. Same with a fighter like Lomanchenko

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

wylan911 said: ↑

Very good post. GGG definitely has all the tools, as you would expect with someone with the amateur background that he has. Except for great speed that is, but his technique and timing more than make up for that. Same with a fighter like Lomanchenko
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GGG definitely is a great boxer, but let's not get carried away here. He dismantled a guy who got outboxed by Joachim Alcine, c'mon. Outboxing him isn't that impressive. Abuffy has been hyping this event for MONTHS, let's be honest it was a HUGE disappointment, and out of the comments on youtube etc, I've seen that most people regretted buying the PPV and thought it was a horrible one. Of course there are the diehard fans like Abuffy who will defend it no matter how terrible the card was for a PPV.

BASHar Asad · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

"For all of us who said Golovkin was allowing Monroe to hit him, we were right. Golovkin's defense was extremely impressive. He was slipping, rolling, and parrying David's shots for majority of the fight. If you went back and watched the fight in slow-motion, you would be equally impressed with Golovkin's defense as you would be watching Mayweather's defense. Not saying their defense is equally as good, but that it is impressive nonetheless. There were techniques too that he used that reminded me of Mayweather. "

God you're stupid. He wasn't letting him hit him, Monroe is more technically sound than Lemieux and throws faster combinations. Lemieux throws bombs which are easy to avoid. Could Golovkin fight more defensively against Monroe and take less shots? Yes, but he DIDNT let him hit him, he fought a certain style, and if you fight that style you get HIT.
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It was not bad enough you had to ruin the RBR thread but now you have to sullen this one as well?:-(

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

BASHar Asad said: ↑

It was not bad enough you had to ruin the RBR thread but now you have to sullen this one as well?:-(
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LOL, my bad serge. Do you disagree with what I said though?

abuffy · Oct 19, 2015

BASHar Asad said: ↑

It was not bad enough you had to ruin the RBR thread but now you have to sullen this one as well?:-(
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Just put him on ignore like I did. It makes the forum a happier place :nod

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Just put him on ignore like I did. It makes the forum a happier place :nod
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Yes ignore one of the only objective voices on this forum.

C.J. · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Hi:hi:

I've been quiet for a while, but that's because I was so busy in NYC. On my first fight experience, I have nothing else left to say other than it was the most incredible sporting event I've ever been to and I've been to a lot. My family is now completely full-blown Triple G fans from previously being Mayweather fans, and the transition was quite easy for them. Seriously, my mom and dad didn't care about anyone else in boxing but Mayweather, but now they've already rewatched GGG/Lemieux. They want to go to Canelo/GGG, and I'll be attending more of his fights for now on, without a doubt.

On the fight,

1) For all of us who said Golovkin was allowing Monroe to hit him, we were right. Golovkin's defense was extremely impressive. He was slipping, rolling, and parrying David's shots for majority of the fight. If you went back and watched the fight in slow-motion, you would be equally impressed with Golovkin's defense as you would be watching Mayweather's defense. Not saying their defense is equally as good, but that it is impressive nonetheless. There were techniques too that he used that reminded me of Mayweather.

For one, Golovkin uses his arm as a distraction the same way Mayweather does when he's being pressed. When Mayweather is on the ropes, he'll stick out his arm as a tool to blind or befuddle the opponent to turn them. Golovkin used it against Lemieux various amount of times when he too was pressed against the ropes. He also incorporated the shoulder-roll to avoid much of what David was throwing. Very neat to see from Golovkin because he doesn't use it often. It just goes to show that Sanchez isn't kidding when he says fans really haven't seen all that Golovkin has in his tool box.

2) For rounds 1-5, Golovkin used as I term his "Olympic-style" meaning he boxed. He subtly cut off the ring a few times when he wanted, but for the most part he was fighting Lemieux in the center of the ring and using his jab. Obviously the jab was the main aspect of the story, and Golovkin's usage of it was brilliantly. Lemieux was so thrown out of his gameplan and really had no answer on it from the start. It seemed as if Golovkin was landing it every single time. Lemieux got hesitant to attack and when he did try to go in, Golovkin would either jab him out or counter him. It was demoralizing for his opponent.

3) After the knockdown, Golovkin left his olympic-style and consciously chose to begin fighting in the style that we are accustomed to see him use which is the stalker that cuts off the ring and more aggressively (yet still methodically) begins to break down the opponent. After round 5, he smelled blood and began to press for the knockout. Golovkin knew Lemieux was finished, had nothing to offer and went after him. He transformed back into the fighter we see each fight and once he did, it took only 2-3 rounds for the KO to finally come. When Golovkin left his olympic-style, Lemieux was having a bit more success since Golovkin become that much more aggressive and walking him down, but it was nothing that concerned Golovkin obviously and it was a opportunity cost worth taking since Lemieux was becoming more and more broken down with each exchange.

4) For rounds 1-5 when he was using the "Olympic-Style" (jabbing, more defensive), I noticed
a) Golovkin's feet are faster than we think and played a huge role in
why Lemieux was hitting air.
b) Golovkin has an incredible sense of timing and distance

5) This was Golovkin's best performance. No, Golovkin didn't knock Lemieux out in two rounds like he did other opponents, but this was still his best performance to me. The reason I say that is because Golovkin showed more skill in this fight than we have seen in any other previous one. We saw new things from Golovkin that we haven't and credit to Lemieux for bringing it out.

Lemieux was a good opponent. Golovkin didn't just avoid his power, he completely neutralized Lemieux in every aspect. Regardless of how good you think Lemieux is, that's impressive. Golovkin showed two different styles and proved that he is an extremely versatile and intelligent fighter who is fully aware of what is happening in the ring and when/how to adjust to what is happening in the ring.

How rare is it to see a fighter who can choose what he wants to do with an opponent game-plan wise. He can out-brawl any MW and out-box any MW. Pacquiao is similiar, but he is clearly a better brawler than he is boxer while Golovkin seems to be equally as good in both regards. And when I say better, I mean elite because he can completely dominate any MW with either style that he pleases to use. That's special everyone, and I hope you realize that.

Overall, I saw what Mayweather and Pacquiao have done before so many times:

Make GOOD opponents look like a complete amateur, and that is exactly what happened. Golovkin made a good opponent look like he didn't even belong. That is a testament to Golovkin's skill and the level in which he's at which truly is that much greater than all the other opponents in the MW division. Mayweather can fight any top Welterweight in his division and make them look like a C grade fighter, and yet any other welterweight would be a good match with anyone else. Same with Pacquiao, and same with Golovkin. He is doing what an ATG should be doing. Making good opponents look C-grade.

With that said, I was the most impressed with Golovkin than any of his other fights in all regards of his defense, offense, and skill. I truly believe we are watching a prime ATG in action. Appreciate it!
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Glad you enjoyed the fight buffy there nothing like being there seeing it live is there
I agree with you on GGG He is a potential ATG> He's already the best 160 pound fighter in the world today

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

C.J. said: ↑

Glad you enjoyed the fight buffy there nothing like being there seeing it live is there
I agree with you on GGG He is a potential ATG> He's already the best 160 pound fighter in the world today

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c'mon cj did you really expect any other kind of reaction from abuffy? if there wasn't one punch thrown for the first 6 rounds by golovkin she'd still find a way to praise him. you can call me a mayweather nuthugger all you like but I never made a thread praising mayweather about berto, maidana, ortiz, guerrero etc.

CST80 · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

LOL, my bad serge. Do you disagree with what I said though?
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Why are you calling Asad Serge?

abuffy · Oct 19, 2015

C.J. said: ↑

Glad you enjoyed the fight buffy there nothing like being there seeing it live is there
I agree with you on GGG He is a potential ATG> He's already the best 160 pound fighter in the world today

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Thank you! It definitely was amazing.

Cross of Iron · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

And yet Lemieux would knock out Monroe and probably Murray too.
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I doubt that very much , I would pick Monroe to beat Lemieux .

Monroe has superior footwork and defence .

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

Why are you calling Asad Serge?
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hahaha, it's either you or serge.

C.J. · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

GGG definitely is a great boxer, but let's not get carried away here. He dismantled a guy who got outboxed by Joachim Alcine, c'mon. Outboxing him isn't that impressive. Abuffy has been hyping this event for MONTHS, let's be honest it was a HUGE disappointment, and out of the comments on youtube etc, I've seen that most people regretted buying the PPV and thought it was a horrible one. Of course there are the diehard fans like Abuffy who will defend it no matter how terrible the card was for a PPV.
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Do you know what your problem is??????????? Youre jealous of Buffy because she loses you on boxing knowledge
That little lady knows her boxing

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