My Thoughts and Takeaways of Golovkin/Lemieux

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

Still working on that one. TheGOAT maybe.:think
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it was a terrible movie, dont know who that is either LOL.

Super Hans · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

I actually rarely get into it with Serge, I just assumed it was him because he likes to hate on black fighters, and praise GGG/Kovalev half trolling, and he does it in a funny way.

You're my personal ***** though hansy boy
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Yeah. And everyone else and his dog on the forum that can see I smash you around this forum with scintillating combinations, vicious uppercuts, and piston like jabs you will probably still claim victory. Just like you did Brook beat Porter. :hi:

C.J. · Oct 19, 2015

wylan911 said: ↑

There was nothing to praise about Mayweather's win over Guerrero? The way he dismantled and took away every tool of a 2 division champion in Guerrero, who by the way was a much more quality opponent than Lemieux was. You really HATE Mayweather, don't you.
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I didn't hate him at all I just never liked his boxing style But now its almost certainly been proven he's a Ped's abuser & hypocrite to boot I dislike him intensely. I hope he gets fully investigated & if he's proven a cheat then he be banned from the sport for ever

drenlou · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Hi:hi:

I've been quiet for a while, but that's because I was so busy in NYC. On my first fight experience, I have nothing else left to say other than it was the most incredible sporting event I've ever been to and I've been to a lot. My family is now completely full-blown Triple G fans from previously being Mayweather fans, and the transition was quite easy for them. Seriously, my mom and dad didn't care about anyone else in boxing but Mayweather, but now they've already rewatched GGG/Lemieux. They want to go to Canelo/GGG, and I'll be attending more of his fights for now on, without a doubt.

On the fight,

1) For all of us who said Golovkin was allowing Monroe to hit him, we were right. Golovkin's defense was extremely impressive. He was slipping, rolling, and parrying David's shots for majority of the fight. If you went back and watched the fight in slow-motion, you would be equally impressed with Golovkin's defense as you would be watching Mayweather's defense. Not saying their defense is equally as good, but that it is impressive nonetheless. There were techniques too that he used that reminded me of Mayweather.

For one, Golovkin uses his arm as a distraction the same way Mayweather does when he's being pressed. When Mayweather is on the ropes, he'll stick out his arm as a tool to blind or befuddle the opponent to turn them. Golovkin used it against Lemieux various amount of times when he too was pressed against the ropes. He also incorporated the shoulder-roll to avoid much of what David was throwing. Very neat to see from Golovkin because he doesn't use it often. It just goes to show that Sanchez isn't kidding when he says fans really haven't seen all that Golovkin has in his tool box.

2) For rounds 1-5, Golovkin used as I term his "Olympic-style" meaning he boxed. He subtly cut off the ring a few times when he wanted, but for the most part he was fighting Lemieux in the center of the ring and using his jab. Obviously the jab was the main aspect of the story, and Golovkin's usage of it was brilliantly. Lemieux was so thrown out of his gameplan and really had no answer on it from the start. It seemed as if Golovkin was landing it every single time. Lemieux got hesitant to attack and when he did try to go in, Golovkin would either jab him out or counter him. It was demoralizing for his opponent.

3) After the knockdown, Golovkin left his olympic-style and consciously chose to begin fighting in the style that we are accustomed to see him use which is the stalker that cuts off the ring and more aggressively (yet still methodically) begins to break down the opponent. After round 5, he smelled blood and began to press for the knockout. Golovkin knew Lemieux was finished, had nothing to offer and went after him. He transformed back into the fighter we see each fight and once he did, it took only 2-3 rounds for the KO to finally come. When Golovkin left his olympic-style, Lemieux was having a bit more success since Golovkin become that much more aggressive and walking him down, but it was nothing that concerned Golovkin obviously and it was a opportunity cost worth taking since Lemieux was becoming more and more broken down with each exchange.

4) For rounds 1-5 when he was using the "Olympic-Style" (jabbing, more defensive), I noticed
a) Golovkin's feet are faster than we think and played a huge role in
why Lemieux was hitting air.
b) Golovkin has an incredible sense of timing and distance

5) This was Golovkin's best performance. No, Golovkin didn't knock Lemieux out in two rounds like he did other opponents, but this was still his best performance to me. The reason I say that is because Golovkin showed more skill in this fight than we have seen in any other previous one. We saw new things from Golovkin that we haven't and credit to Lemieux for bringing it out.

Lemieux was a good opponent. Golovkin didn't just avoid his power, he completely neutralized Lemieux in every aspect. Regardless of how good you think Lemieux is, that's impressive. Golovkin showed two different styles and proved that he is an extremely versatile and intelligent fighter who is fully aware of what is happening in the ring and when/how to adjust to what is happening in the ring.

How rare is it to see a fighter who can choose what he wants to do with an opponent game-plan wise. He can out-brawl any MW and out-box any MW. Pacquiao is similiar, but he is clearly a better brawler than he is boxer while Golovkin seems to be equally as good in both regards. And when I say better, I mean elite because he can completely dominate any MW with either style that he pleases to use. That's special everyone, and I hope you realize that.

Overall, I saw what Mayweather and Pacquiao have done before so many times:

Make GOOD opponents look like a complete amateur, and that is exactly what happened. Golovkin made a good opponent look like he didn't even belong. That is a testament to Golovkin's skill and the level in which he's at which truly is that much greater than all the other opponents in the MW division. Mayweather can fight any top Welterweight in his division and make them look like a C grade fighter, and yet any other welterweight would be a good match with anyone else. Same with Pacquiao, and same with Golovkin. He is doing what an ATG should be doing. Making good opponents look C-grade.

With that said, I was the most impressed with Golovkin than any of his other fights in all regards of his defense, offense, and skill. I truly believe we are watching a prime ATG in action. Appreciate it!
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I bet you the GGG fans you talked to in person are totally different then the ones on here, huh?

CST80 · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

it was a terrible movie, dont know who that is either LOL.
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It could have been better, I wasn't overly thrilled by it.

TheGOAT is the guy that would always say :hi:Hi Jacory....Bye Jacory:hi:

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

Super Hans said: ↑

Yeah. And everyone else and his dog on the forum that can see I smash you around this forum with scintillating combinations, vicious uppercuts, and piston like jabs you will probably still claim victory. Just like you did Brook beat Porter. :hi:
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English motha****a do you speak it?!

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

BASHar Asad said: ↑

It was not bad enough you had to ruin the RBR thread but now you have to sullen this one as well?:-(
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HAHAHAHA, did you really make a new account because you lost all your v cash on don huevos? Remember how you used to call me out for having lower v cash than you, and then you lost it all hahahaha, you couldnt build up from scratch so you decided to make a new account huh?

drenlou · Oct 19, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

No its not Soto-Karass>Alcine

Rosado KO'd Soto-Karass in 5, Lemieux KO'd Rosado.

So Alcine barely beat Lemiuex who stopped Rosado who stopped Soto-Karass who stopped Berto.:good
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Thats not how it works and you know that..

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

Thats not how it works and you know that..
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The fact that Berto fought on with taht shoulder injury shows what a warrior he is. He was also winning that fight, with one arm.

abuffy · Oct 19, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

I bet you the GGG fans you talked to in person are totally different then the ones on here, huh?
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Very different. All of them were super hype for their man though. The man next to me was from Khazakstahn, and we had a fun discussion over Golovkin, Kovalev, Ruslan, and Ward. It was so great to be surrounded by boxing fans.

With basketball (my other favorite sport), I can discuss it with people in person since there are a lot of basketball fans. Same with football, etc. With boxing, however, I have to use an internet forum because it's impossible to find boxing fans where I am. However, being in NYC, surrounded by so many people who appreciated the sport and to be able to actually converse with people in person about it... just awesome.

wylan911 · Oct 19, 2015

C.J. said: ↑

I didn't hate him at all I just never liked his boxing style But now its almost certainly been proven he's a Ped's abuser & hypocrite to boot I dislike him intensely. I hope he gets fully investigated & if he's proven a cheat then he be banned from the sport for ever
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Yeah, no it has actually not been proven that he has used any form of PED's. He has already been cleared by the NSAC. So keep holding on to that hope there pal.

C.J. · Oct 19, 2015

ellerbe said: ↑

Hahaha, I forgot more boxing today than Abuffy knows. I also know far more than you, you old creepy fart, keep kissing abuffy's ass. You agree that GGG let Monroe hit him on purpose right?
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Read your post Do you honestly think that looks like it was written by a mature sensible person or a silly immature fool??
Now go back & read buffy's post that's the way a person who knows & loves the sport posts
I seriously doubt you've ever seen a live fight or visited a gym.
Think before you post trash like this again then maybe you wont look so silly

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

C.J. said: ↑

Read your post Do you honestly think that looks like it was written by a mature sensible person or a silly immature fool??
Now go back & read buddy's post that's the way a person who knows & loves the sport posts
I seriously doubt you've ever seen a live fight or visited a gym.
Think before you post trash like this again then maybe you wont look so silly
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ok old creepy fart, keep creeping on abuffy and kissing her ass.

drenlou · Oct 19, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Totally fine, but I think he'd beat Cotto easier than he did Lemieux and Canelo just as easy. Neither of them "test" him, imo. They're great names and world champions, but from what I'm seeing, Golovkin is visibly superior in almost every aspect.
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Naw...Cotto is more polished and refined then Lemule.. Hed actually stick to a gameplan to win. Lemieux had no gameplan whatso ever and was totally inexperianced for the task at hand. The experiance That Cotto brings will Help him more, then hurt him.

ellerbe · Oct 19, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

Naw...Cotto is more polished and refined then Lemule.. Hed actually stick to a gameplan to win. Lemieux had no gameplan whatso ever and was totally inexperianced for the task at hand. The experiance That Cotto brings will Help him more, then hurt him.
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dude this is why I cant stand abuffy, she's hyping Lemieux out to be something special. Cotto and Canelo would also beat Lemieux easily, Lemieux is technically terrible, and very one dimensional, if you have power to keep him off you, and the defense to evade his power shots you beat him easy. hell even alcine who doesnt have good power outboxed him.

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