MY THOUGHTS: I scored it for Cotto, but...

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  1. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    Cotto:.. 10 - 10 - 09 - 10 - 09 - 10 - 09 - 09 - 10 - 09 - 09 - 10 = 114
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    Clottey: 08 - 09 - 10 - 09 - 10 - 09 - 10 - 10 - 09 - 10 - 10 - 09 = 113


    There ya go...dispute it all you want, it's how *I* scored it.


    First let me say, I had wanted Cotto to win...I considered myself as a fan of Cotto.

    I slightly favored Clottey during the first round until Cotto knocked him down. To me, it looked like Clottey was mostly off balance and Cotto timed it perfectly with a jab...nevertheless it was what it was: a knockdown. Clottey looked angry at himself for being caught off balance and he obviously wasn't at all hurt. However, I noticed that from the 2nd round on, he stepped up his defense and didn't leave himself as open anymore.

    The overall impression I got was that Cotto couldn't hurt Clottey whatsoever...Clottey's defense is way too tight. Cotto, however, looked as vulnerable as ever. I honestly believe that if Clottey had a killer instinct and REALLY put on pressure, he could have finished Cotto.

    The rounds that Clottey won, I thought he won very convincingly. Most of the rounds that I thought Cotto won, I thought he won by a very thin margin. The whole time I was wondering why Cotto is standing there taking punishment? Or why on earth is he backing up giving up ground? I got the impression that he WANTED to stand his ground and he WANTED to be the stronger & more dominant fighter but Clottey wouldn't allow him to do that. Cotto said that we'd see "a new Cotto", but what I ended up seeing was the same Cotto that fought Margarito but who couldn't get off as many punches nor hit Clottey the way he hit Margarito.

    It wasn't until the 10th round that Cotto actually started boxing, rather than running. He was getting off his jab better and beat Clottey to the punches here & there. If he fought the whole fight the way he fought in rounds 10, 11 & 12, I feel he would have won by decision more decisively and it is honestly how I expected to see him fight.

    Cotto has absolutely no defense for left uppercuts. Zab Judah exposed this vulnerability, and for the life of me, I cannot understand why no one has addressed this. It was this very vulnerability that Margarito exploited 10x and beat Cotto down with. WHY on earth hasn't his team taken care of this???? Unless this flaw is fixed, I can't help but seeing Mosley winning a rematch, and wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao could either TKO or win by Decision against Cotto at 147. I have to give Cotto props though for continuing to fight with a bad cut over his eye, even though according to my scoring he could have got away with a narrow Technical Decision had he chosen he couldn't continue into the 5th round.

    Clottey's defense was SUPERB and his speed & combinations impressed me greatly. For all of Clottey's skill & physical advantages, I have to say...in the end I think Clottey robbed himself. If he had but just a bit more of a killer instinct I think he could have either won a wide decision or finished Cotto. Instead he bitched and moaned about being thrown down and hit behind the head instead of acting like a true fighter(and whether or not these were intentional is highly debatable). And to me this was very telling and indicative of the instinct that Clottey lacks.

    Overall, I can't help but get the impression that Cotto escaped with a narrow win...and I mean ESCAPED. I honestly could have seen the fight going either way by a point or 2, but definitely not the ridiculous score that one judge scored it.

    I think Clottey deserves a rematch somewhere other than MSG, and if Cotto doesn't give him one, then in my mind it's because he knows he'll lose. And if he does give him a rematch, Cotto had better learned to fix his defensive flaws.

    Cotto: He showed he had heart by fighting with the cut as bad as it was, but also showed he hasn't done ANYTHING to fix his defensive flaws against left uppercuts. He also showed that he is affected even by the little pressure that Clottey applied, and lacks the ability to control the tempo of the fight when someone truly does apply pressure. I believe these things CAN be corrected with the right trainer who will give him the right gameplan and tools of defense. I hope he finds a new trainer. I'm left disappointed with him, and think that if he can't fix these things, his time is up because smarter fighters WILL take advantage of it and beat him. DECISIVELY

    Clottey: He showed his defense is impenetrable, even against such offensively skilled fighters as Cotto. He showed he has pretty quick hands and great combinations. Unfortunately he has also shown that he lacks that killer instinct and desire to truly apply pressure and destroy opponents, though I believe he has the natural ability, the power, and the skills to do so. It's a shame...because unless he finds the inner strength to do so, I can't see him continually competing again elite fighters nor becoming a big draw.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I had it 115-112 for Cotto. I think Cotto could have stopped Clottey on the rope a couple of times if he had continued to pummel him. The first round 10-8 round helped a lot, but on my card I thought Cotto won ever without the 10-8 round. If not for the cut, Cotto would have on even bigger, perhaps a TKO or KO. The headbutt caused Cotto a lot of problems and Clottey's acting was not so good either.
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Several times, agreed. But I disagree that Cotto couldn't hurt Clottey. Cotto shook Clottey several times as well, but Clottey could have potentially stopped Cotto if he poured it on more. I don't think that was ever going to actually happen though. Clottey isn't a killer, and his ring intelligence isn't what it could be. He lacks awareness and real, serious purpose.
     
  4. Ringnut

    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, Clottey definitely lacks the killer instinct. Cotto did seem to hurt Clottey a few times but it looks like Clottey hurt Cotto more than the other way around. I think Cotto fought a smarter (albeit a less action packed) fight when he realized that Clottey could really hurt him and that the cut was putting him more in a disadvantage.
     
  5. orlando1145

    orlando1145 Undefeated Full Member

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    I just re watched this fight no bias,sound off and this what i came up with.I had originally scored the fight 115-113 for Cotto.The two deserve credit but I think clottey need it to take more risk and he didn't that cost him



    Cotto 10 10 10 9 9 10 9 10 9 10 10 10
    Clottey 8 9 9 10 10 9 10 9 10 9 9 9


    116-111 For Cotto
     
  6. littlefloyd

    littlefloyd Pure boxer Full Member

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    Rd1 - cotto 10-8
    Rd2 - clottey 10-9
    Rd3 - cotto 10-9
    Rd4 - clottey 10-9
    Rd5- clottey 10-9
    Rd6 - cotto 10-9
    Rd7 - clottey 10-9
    Rd8 - clottey 10-9
    Rd9 - cotto 10-9
    Rd10 - clottey 10-9
    Rd11 - cotto 10-9
    Rd12 - clottey 10-9

    Total clottey 114 cotto 113

    and i think clottey deserves it even more because there should have been points deducted for cotto's obvious fouls
     
  7. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    1-- 10-9
    2-- 9-10
    3-- 10-9
    4-- 10-9
    5-- 9-10
    6-- 10-9
    7-- 9-10
    8-- 9-10
    9-- 9-10
    10- 10-9
    11- 10-9
    12- 10-9

    Cotto 115-113 Clottey
     
  8. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll never understand how you have Clottey winning the rounds 10 and 12.
    He was clearly outboxed.

    Convincingly outboxed in round 12.

    As to the things you call fouls...........Cotto Shed clottey OFF him.
    Clottey then turned his back to Cotto. The rule specifically state, " protect yourself at all times"
     
  9. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Clottey wasnt outboxed in rounds 12. Cotto ran for the majority of the round and whenever Clottey got close he'd throw an ineffective combination that landed on clotteys gloves. How could you possibly give 10 to Cotto when Clottey threw and landed more?
     
  10. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    wow, i'm not sure how some of you had Cotto winning by more than 2 points? I thought it could have easily gone either way.
     
  11. KDot10

    KDot10 Roy Jones Jr. Full Member

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    I had it the same, apart from round 9 where you had Cotto winning 10-9. I had Clottey taking that round, making it

    Cotto 113
    Clottey 114

    Awesome fight regardless. I think Cotto would have won a UD if the cut didn't occur in 3, it really seemed to bother him. Throughout the fight, he landed a few shots then got out, didn't want to get caught.
     
  12. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    114-113 in favor of Cotto...too close for confort...a rematch is in order...
     
  13. Gatekeeper78

    Gatekeeper78 Active Member Full Member

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    I need to rewatch the fight to score it, but cotto should have been deducted a point.
     
  14. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I haven't scored the fight yet, but I have some initial thoughts.

    Early on, Cotto looked very nervous, he was refusing to set his feet for his punches and seemed very reluctant to commit to combinations. The KD was an error on Clotteys part - I said in an earlier thread that despite Clotteys defense, he is open to be timed on his way in - this is exactly what happened. The cut was nasty, and clearly effected Cotto. Cotto did seem to gain confidence as the fight wore on, which culminated in his confidence in his boxing skills which he displayed in the last 3 rounds. Overall, he done just enough to win, which in fairness is all anyone could expect when fighting Clottey as he's one of those fighters that is very difficult to look good against.

    Clottey - as was widely suggested on here pre fight, Clottey simply didn't throw enough punches. He gave Cotto to much room and time. As for his theatrics, he needs to man up, it's not a ****ing tea party in there - if he wants to cry when he falls over he should have been a footballer. The fact is that despite Clottey obvious skills, he will never be a force simply because he isn't active enough.
     
  15. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    .....And back on the subject of Cotto being able to hurt Clottey... Cotto hit Clottey with a right hand after a series of heavy shots at the 1:59 mark (1:01 HBO clock) of the 6th and Clottey was hurt badly... Very little question... Sort of adds to the frustration factor, because both these guys seemed to have chances at stopping the other and each pulled back just enough when the time came to let the other guy recover.